Before I read anything Else.... Howard.... I don't want to change anything
at all...I respect your desire to keep things the way they were.... I agree
with you on the opposite direction thing.... I don't agree on the qualifing
pass as it's one of those things that someone stuck in there Later on to
make getting in the Two Club harder... Someone out there give me a History
Lesson on record setting .... because in 1956 Donald Healey set a Record
with a Two Way average and there is NO discussion in all the written
documents on a Qualifing pass.
This is Not making it easier...it's NOT putting folks in the Bonneville Two
Club...( thou they have opened the door for that discussion also).... To the
Best of my knowledge at Maxton it's happened exactly 4 times that someone
has run over the Bonneville record..... Has anyone Ever run over the Bville
record at El Mirage? How bout Lake Gairdner?
As I said in the begining.... I actually want to further the SCTA and
Bonneville records... as they are in fact ... in my opinion World Records...
By further defining how one goes about setting an International Record I
think we would find that Bonneville Is the Place to make that happen.... and
obviously we have to live within the constraints of Real world Traffic
control Problems on the Salt...... K
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: International Records
> Setting a record has always been defined as performing against a standard.
> The recognized standard in land speed racing has always been a two way
> average across the same relative piece of real estate. You cannot claim
any
> record with a one way pass. Tail wind, down hill, etc. Why do we always
want
> to make it easier to set records? My records were set when you had to make
a
> qualifying run over the record and then the two way pass in opposite
> directions to get the record. I was not happy when they took the
qualifying
> pass out of the equation and I think all the recent records that have been
> set with two passes in the same direction should have an asterisk beside
> them identifying that fact.
> I will accept the fact that I am old fashioned and that they name streets
> after me. They are called "one Way"
> I have even been called opinionated but what do those people know?
>
> Howard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: International Records
>
>
> > Okay Jon.... Relax and think a bit here.... don't jump to the same
> > conclusions I jumped to.... I agreed with you up front.... but then
Logic
> > Prevailed... or at least that is my opinion... and YES I ASSUME lot's of
> > things....
> >
> > Here is the Truth as I know it with my car and ONLY my car... I run
15-18%
> > faster at Bonneville then I do at Maxton. That gives a guy running
> > Bonneville a 15% minimum advantage over me at Maxton.... Now if you do
the
> > same thing for Cars at El Mirage then I think you can come to the same
> > conclusion that these Venues are not as Fast as Bonneville.... Let
enough
> of
> > us go to Lake Gairdner and I think your going to find there is a Big
> > advantage to running there with a 5 mile course at Virtual Sea level....
> >
> > So what if you have to do it twice.... you have 5 times the room and
less
> > traction at a Higher Altitude and it's Proven to be a Faster course then
> all
> > the others so far.... ( if the salt continues to improve it will be even
> > better still )
> >
> > My Point is if someone beats the Bonneville record somewhere else in a
> Legal
> > class car..... that person should hold the International record for that
> > class.... It's not going to change the Bonneville record.... only the
> Level
> > one has to go to at Bonneville to set the INTERNATIONAL record for that
> type
> > of car.... Otherwise he would be setting a National record at
> Bonneville....
> > ( it would still qualify as a 2 club record as you set a record at
> > Bonneville over Two Bills in my case ...( BIG HOPE HERE))
> >
> > That is the logic that I came down to.... Problem with making them
> > consecutive is Time limitations for El Mirage and Muroc... they don't
have
> > adequate track surface and area to do back to back record runs....
> >
> > Keith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: International Records
> >
> >
> > > Keith List,
> > >
> > > But the one thing all records at Bonneville and FIA records have that
> make
> > them
> > > more valuable and recognizable is the average of two speeds over the
> same
> > real
> > > estate. Not just one run with a trap speeds. That has always been the
> > glory of
> > > land speed racing, that not only did you only do it once, but twice,
> over
> > the
> > > same real estate but that also shows durability with a motor thats an
> > important
> > > factor, some can say they once did it, but bonneville records and FIA
> > records
> > > show they did it twice within an allotted time period.
> > >
> > > Jonathan Amo
> > > www.landracing.com
> > >
> > > Jonathan Amo
> > > www.landracing.com
> > >
> > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > >
> > > > Okay Joe.... lets take that as an example then.... You say there is
a
> > > > difference between say... Maxton and Bonneville.... and I happen to
> > > > agree.... at Bonneville you have 4 miles to get up to speed....
where
> is
> > the
> > > > challange compared to ONE mile and a 132' trap.... or at El Mirage
on
> > Dirt
> > > > at 1.3 miles? or Muroc on Talcum Powder at 1.5 miles and a One way
> > average
> > > > as the record.... Personally I think the short courses are severaly
> > > > disadvantaged over the Long Course at Bville.... shoot even the
Short
> > course
> > > > is better.....
> > > >
> > > > Why not?
///
/// land-speed@autox.team.net mailing list
///
|