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There's methanol (wood), ethanol (booze) and isopropyl (rubbing). All
are alcohols; methanol and ethanol are suitable ICE fuels.
It's a large group of chemicals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(chemistry)
On 9/2/2024 10:56 AM, Mirek Sharp wrote:
> Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol. Â I am no
> chemist, but I am sure they are different. Â Here in Ontario, Shell did
> not add ethanol to their premium up to last October, now they do and I
> imagine that is nation-wide. Â They "got away" with this because of the
> way the ethanol content is, or at least was, measured. Â I understand
> (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an average across total sales. Â So
> they could add a bit more in regular grades and not add it to premium.
> Â It was something like that anyhow. Â It was a corporate decision to
> start adding it to premium, not a change in government mandate. Â It is
> a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with the
> addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate
> from the gas. Â Its called "phase separation" (google it). Â The ethanol
> can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the
> bottom of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is
> located. Â So although the tanker may put fuel in which has only up to
> 10% ethanol, what comes out the nozzle could be different. Â That all
> said, I have not noticed any problem with my BT7. Â I think the most
> you would have to do is adjust your timing as the ethanol has a slower
> burn rate than gas. Â It is a totally different issue with my
> air-cooled classic bikes. Â The gas in those helps (minimally) with
> cooling and we generally run them a little richer than optimum. Â But
> it really creates timing issues when you have a high dome piston and
> the plug to one side - its a relatively long way over the dome and the
> slower burn rate creates timing issues. Â BTW, I've been told that
> avgas has a different formula and is not necessary a good alternative,
> and is certainly inconvenient. Â Some speed shops cell good gas, but
> again, super inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an
> issue with a Healey. Â There are several apps that tell you the nearest
> ethanol free gas - just google it. Â There are also additives that
> claim to neutralize the ethanol. Â I'll be experimenting with these in
> the bikes.
>
> Sent from my alternative
>
>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl <engl@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
>>
>>  I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol)
>> already, but thatâ??s maybe not the case yet. Â I found a Shell station
>> in Saskatoon that had a â??contains alcoholâ?? on silver and bronze at
>> the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and
>> it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol,
>> but the signs used to say â?? contains no alcoholâ?? on premium.
>>
>> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said â?? may
>> contain alcoholâ??, so dunno.
>>
>> Didnâ??t there used to be an app??
>>
>> Bob England
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56â?¯AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys
>>> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
>>> my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol
>>> in all grades of gas.
>>> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal
>>> with this?
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There's methanol (wood), ethanol (booze) and isopropyl (rubbing).
All are alcohols; methanol and ethanol are suitable ICE fuels. <br>
<br>
It's a large group of chemicals:<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(chemistry)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(chemistry)</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2024 10:56 AM, Mirek Sharp
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:FAF6CD67-2D2B-4EC0-94D0-F5A418725300@sympatico.ca">
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Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol. Â I am
no chemist, but I am sure they are different. Â Here in Ontario,
Shell did not add ethanol to their premium up to last October, now
they do and I imagine that is nation-wide. Â They "got away" with
this because of the way the ethanol content is, or at least was,
measured. Â I understand (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an
average across total sales. Â So they could add a bit more in
regular grades and not add it to premium. Â It was something like
that anyhow. Â It was a corporate decision to start adding it to
premium, not a change in government mandate. Â It is a real mess in
my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with the addition of
moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate from
the gas. Â Its called "phase separation" (google it). Â The ethanol
can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to
the bottom of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up
is located. Â So although the tanker may put fuel in which has only
up to 10% ethanol, what comes out the nozzle could be different.
 That all said, I have not noticed any problem with my BT7.  I
think the most you would have to do is adjust your timing as the
ethanol has a slower burn rate than gas. Â It is a totally
different issue with my air-cooled classic bikes. Â The gas in
those helps (minimally) with cooling and we generally run them a
little richer than optimum. Â But it really creates timing issues
when you have a high dome piston and the plug to one side - its a
relatively long way over the dome and the slower burn rate creates
timing issues. Â BTW, I've been told that avgas has a different
formula and is not necessary a good alternative, and is certainly
inconvenient. Â Some speed shops cell good gas, but again, super
inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an issue with a
Healey. Â There are several apps that tell you the nearest ethanol
free gas - just google it. Â There are also additives that claim to
neutralize the ethanol. Â I'll be experimenting with these in the
bikes.<br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Sent from my alternative</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca";><engl@accesscomm.ca></a> wrote:<br>
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I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler
(alcohol) already, but thatâ??s maybe not the case yet. Â I found
a Shell station in Saskatoon that had a â??contains alcoholâ?? on
silver and bronze at the pump, but no label on their premium
gas - checked other pumps and it was the same I was hoping
their premium did not contain alcohol, but the signs used to
say â?? contains no alcoholâ?? on premium.Â
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump
that said â?? may contain alcoholâ??, so dunno. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Didnâ??t there used to be an app??<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Bob England</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56â?¯AM, carl
and gerry rubino via Healeys
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a>
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A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have
been running my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
<div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to
legislate alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
<div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any
recommendations to deal with this?</div>
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