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To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>, <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] gas/alcohol
From: Robert Markovich via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 18:12:05 +0000 (UTC)
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Wonder whether today=E2=80=99s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dies=
eling) many Healey owners experience. If you=E2=80=99re lucky (and have set=
 carbs and timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring=C2=A0th=
e gas pedal after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with =
air, especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, =
you must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it =
from running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner o=
n the chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see =
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On Monday, September 2, 2024, 1:01 PM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:

 Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars longer =
than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able to buy higher-o=
ctane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the octane was boosted wi=
th ethanol (added water to some and measured before and after; don't recall=
 the exact mix but IIRC I figured it was 10% ethanol; standard from the pum=
p seems to be about 8%).
=20
 I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol, and th=
ere have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on starting when =
hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line that had been on the=
 car for a couple decades and, except for it being a little stiff there was=
 no visible degradation. About 8 years ago I put a new carb jet in pure/den=
atured ethanol and there is also no visible degradation. Rubber components =
sold since the introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoret=
ically, due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a li=
ttle lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends changing to ric=
h carb needles, but both my cars have long since been tuned to run on it wi=
th std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, t=
he BN2 is a 100M and has the 'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been to=
ld Healeys will run fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on t=
he cam and timing.=20
=20
 Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes I woul=
d occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely to be enthusi=
astic about selling it to you. Technically, you would owe 'road tax,' and t=
he stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't breathe any of it and don't=
 let it get on your skin).=20
=20
 * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and cavitates th=
e fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some stumbling for a mile or s=
o.
=20
 Bob
=20
 On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys wrote:
 =20
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:3px;padding-top:0px;}#yiv8790107236 a img {border:0px;} A message from Can=
ada. For the last 30 years I have been running my 100/6 on 93 gas with no a=
lcohol. In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol=
 in all grades of gas. Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommen=
dations to deal with this?=20
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Wonder whether today=E2=80=99s ethanol fuel contributes to the run-on (dies=
eling) many Healey owners experience. If you=E2=80=99re lucky (and have set=
 carbs and timing correctly), you can solve the problem by flooring&nbsp;th=
e gas pedal after turning off the ignition and inundate the cylinders with =
air, especially on a BJ8 with its larger HD8 SUs. Otherwise, as on my BN7, =
you must stall the engine by lifting the clutch pedal in fourth to keep it =
from running on. Am trying Techron combustion chamber/fuel system cleaner o=
n the chance removing built up deposits will do the trick, but we will see =
=E2=80=A6<br><br><br><div class=3D"yahoo-signature"><a style=3D"font-size:1=
2px" href=3D"https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id6=
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M, Bob Spidell via Healeys &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:</p><blockq=
uote class=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv8790107236"><div>
    Living in California, I have been running 'gasahol' in all my cars
    longer than some. Best we can usually get is 91-octane; I was able
    to buy higher-octane--93 and 100--fuel at times but, guess what: the
    octane was boosted with ethanol (added water to some and measured
    before and after; don't recall the exact mix but IIRC I figured it
    was 10% ethanol; standard from the pump seems to be about 8%).<br clear=
=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    I have about 140K miles on my BJ8 running mostly 91-octane gasahol,
    and there have been no negative effects save some 'vapor lock*' on
    starting when hot. I replaced the hard line to carburettor flex line
    that had been on the car for a couple decades and, except for it
    being a little stiff there was no visible degradation. About 8 years
    ago I put a new carb jet in pure/denatured ethanol and there is also
    no visible degradation. Rubber components sold since the
    introduction of gasahol are impervious to the stuff. Theoretically,
    due to its oxygen content gasahol could cause an engine to run a
    little lean, and at least one knowledgeable person recommends
    changing to rich carb needles, but both my cars have long since been
    tuned to run on it with std. needles. The BJ8 was rebuilt to
    standard 9.1:1 compression ratio, the BN2 is a 100M and has the
    'high compression' 8.7:1 pistons. I've been told Healeys will run
    fine on 91 up to about 11:1 compression, depending on the cam and
    timing. <br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Good luck trying to 'steal' from an airport--when I owned airplanes
    I would occasionally get some--but the fuel providers aren't likely
    to be enthusiastic about selling it to you. Technically, you would
    owe 'road tax,' and the stuff is full of TEL and highly toxic (don't
    breathe any of it and don't let it get on your skin). <br clear=3D"none=
">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    * not technically 'vapor lock,' but the alcohol vaporizes and
    cavitates the fuel next to the exhaust manifold, causing some
    stumbling for a mile or so.<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Bob<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div id=3D"yiv8790107236yqt69298" class=3D"yiv8790107236yqt1570929108">=
<div class=3D"yiv8790107236moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2024 7:45 AM, carl and g=
erry
      rubino via Healeys wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
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      A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been running
      my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
      <div>In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate
        alcohol in all grades of gas.</div>
      <div>Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations
        to deal with this?</div>
      <br clear=3D"none">
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