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Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer

To: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>, Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
From: Michael MacLean <springer.mike51@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 12:43:21 -0700
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
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Lucky for me I am close enough to Nate Jones Tire in Long Beach,
California. They do modern tire mounting of course, but they are the go to
people for for classic wire, wood water tire mounting. They even can shave
your tire round and concentric.
Mike MacLean

On Mon, May 15, 2023, 8:36 AM Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net> wrote:

> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I
> have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance
> they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the
> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle
> shakes so far.
>
> Harold
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34=E2=80=AFAM <greylinn@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Here in Brisbane there=E2=80=99s at least one place (near me) that does =
on-car
>> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don=E2=80=99t have a central hole, so ca=
n=E2=80=99t be
>> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing
>> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing!
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Linn
>>
>> Brisbane
>>
>> BN1 Holden V6
>>
>> MG TC special
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *m.g.shar=
p---
>> via Healeys
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM
>> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' <manifold@telus.net>; 'HealeyRick' <
>> healeyrik@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>>
>>
>>
>> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner).  I ha=
d
>> a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on th=
e
>> inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer o=
n
>> the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a mod=
ern
>> balancer.  Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so  that when =
the
>> wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone=
 on
>> the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub.  That part is a
>> little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end u=
p
>> in two pieces =E2=80=93 measure carefully!  Hub and spinner was $25 at a=
 swap meet
>> and machining was $50.  I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war
>> wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs.  Worked a treat o=
n
>> my TC wheels.  Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for
>> now.
>>
>>
>>
>> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the
>> drum or disk at the same time =E2=80=93 as long as you remembered to mar=
k the
>> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (t=
o a
>> different position on the car)!  That is likely one reason  they are not
>> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added
>> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed
>> the wheel, you=E2=80=99d loose the balance, unless it went back in exact=
ly the same
>> position.   Anyhow it=E2=80=99s a moot point as I have not seen an on-wh=
eel
>> balancer for decades.   I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but w=
hen
>> I balanced the drums on the TC  they were significantly off.  I hear
>> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as m=
y
>> BT7 has always run pretty smooth.  If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants
>> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mirek
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Harold
>> Manifold
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM
>> *To:* HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS
>> recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece o=
f
>> kit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Harold
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28=E2=80=AFAM HealeyRick via Healeys <
>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to
>> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.  What are your thoughts?
>> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-ba=
lancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st&utm_source=3Dnewsletter&utm_medium=
=3Demail
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Lucky for me I am close enough to Nate Jones Tire in Long=
 Beach, California. They do modern tire mounting of course, but they are th=
e go to people for for classic wire, wood water tire mounting. They even ca=
n shave your tire round and concentric.<div dir=3D"auto">Mike MacLean</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Mon, May 15, 2023, 8:36 AM Harold Manifold &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:manifol=
d@telus.net">manifold@telus.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Another consideration for balancing the rear=
 tires is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surp=
rised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to=
 go with the separately=C2=A0balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shim=
mies or skuttle shakes so far.<div><br></div><div>Harold</div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 1=
5, 2023 at 12:34=E2=80=AFAM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:greylinn@ozemail.com.au"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">greylinn@ozemail.com.au</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang=
=3D"EN-AU"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Here in Brisbane there=E2=80=
=99s at least one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on=
 my 100 don=E2=80=99t have a central hole, so can=E2=80=99t be balanced on =
a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought =
are fine with no balancing!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Peter Lin=
n<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Brisbane<u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>BN1 Holden V6<u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>MG TC special<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D=
"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid=
 rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">he=
aleys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>m.g.sharp--- via H=
ealeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;Haro=
ld Manifold&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">manifold@telus.net</a>&gt;; &#39;HealeyRick&#39; &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> &#39;Healeys&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balance=
r<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I made up my own adap=
tor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner).=C2=A0 I had a machinist mount=
 the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (wher=
e the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provid=
e better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer.=C2=A0 Th=
en we machined the centre out of the spinner so=C2=A0 that when the wheel i=
s mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the ba=
lancer fits through it and registers on the hub.=C2=A0 That part is a littl=
e tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two=
 pieces =E2=80=93 measure carefully!=C2=A0 Hub and spinner was $25 at a swa=
p meet and machining was $50.=C2=A0 I believe this adaptor will work on any=
 post-war wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs.=C2=A0 Work=
ed a treat on my TC wheels.=C2=A0 Healey is running vibration-free- so leav=
ing it alone for now.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-CA">I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it =
balanced the drum or disk at the same time =E2=80=93 as long as you remembe=
red to mark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not r=
otate them (to a different position on the car)!=C2=A0 That is likely one r=
eason =C2=A0they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of ba=
lance and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every=
 time you removed the wheel, you=E2=80=99d loose the balance, unless it wen=
t back in exactly the same position. =C2=A0=C2=A0Anyhow it=E2=80=99s a moot=
 point as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. =C2=A0=C2=A0I i=
magine that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on th=
e TC=C2=A0 they were significantly off.=C2=A0 I hear balancing Healey drums=
 brings good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pret=
ty smooth.=C2=A0 If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garlan=
d and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Mirek<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><di=
v style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top=
:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harold M=
anifold<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> Heale=
yRick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healey=
s@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balanc=
er<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-CA">It looks like the kit is designed to follow=C2=A0the Dunlop/MWS reco=
mmendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-CA">Harold<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28=E2=80=AFAM He=
aleyRick via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:n=
one;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0=
cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-CA">AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer k=
it to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.=C2=A0 What are your t=
houghts?=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big=
-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st&amp;utm=
_source=3Dnewsletter&amp;utm_medium=3Demail" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noref=
errer">https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-whee=
l-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st&amp;utm_source=3Dnewsletter&amp=
;utm_medium=3Demail</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Rick Neville aka &quot;HealeyRick&quot;<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bo=
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