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Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
From: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 08:32:09 -0700
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Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. I
have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of balance
they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the
separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle
shakes so far.

Harold

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34=E2=80=AFAM <greylinn@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Here in Brisbane there=E2=80=99s at least one place (near me) that does o=
n-car
> balancing. The wheels on my 100 don=E2=80=99t have a central hole, so can=
=E2=80=99t be
> balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing
> ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing!
>
>
>
> Peter Linn
>
> Brisbane
>
> BN1 Holden V6
>
> MG TC special
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp=
---
> via Healeys
> *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM
> *To:* 'Harold Manifold' <manifold@telus.net>; 'HealeyRick' <
> healeyrik@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>
>
>
> I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner).  I had
> a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and ensure that it was true on the
> inside edges (where the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on
> the edges to provide better registration for the standard cones on a mode=
rn
> balancer.  Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so  that when t=
he
> wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone =
on
> the balancer fits through it and registers on the hub.  That part is a
> little tricky as if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up
> in two pieces =E2=80=93 measure carefully!  Hub and spinner was $25 at a =
swap meet
> and machining was $50.  I believe this adaptor will work on any post-war
> wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs.  Worked a treat on
> my TC wheels.  Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for
> now.
>
>
>
> I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced the
> drum or disk at the same time =E2=80=93 as long as you remembered to mark=
 the
> position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate them (to=
 a
> different position on the car)!  That is likely one reason  they are not
> used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance and you added
> weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time you removed
> the wheel, you=E2=80=99d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactl=
y the same
> position.   Anyhow it=E2=80=99s a moot point as I have not seen an on-whe=
el
> balancer for decades.   I imagine that disks run very true anyhow, but wh=
en
> I balanced the drums on the TC  they were significantly off.  I hear
> balancing Healey drums brings good results, but never felt the need as my
> BT7 has always run pretty smooth.  If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants
> drums balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me.
>
>
>
> Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Harold
> Manifold
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM
> *To:* HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>
>
>
> It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS recommendation=
s
> for balancing. See attached. It should be a good piece of kit.
>
>
>
> Harold
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28=E2=80=AFAM HealeyRick via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to
> mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.  What are your thoughts?
> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-bal=
ancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st&utm_source=3Dnewsletter&utm_medium=
=3Demail
>
>
>
> Rick Neville aka "HealeyRick"
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the =
brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how o=
ut of balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the s=
eparately=C2=A0balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or skuttl=
e shakes so far.<div><br></div><div>Harold</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:=
34=E2=80=AFAM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:greylinn@ozemail.com.au";>greylinn@ozema=
il.com.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg6585954535561784072"><div lang=3D"EN-AU" style=
=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"m_6585954535561784072WordSect=
ion1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Here in Brisbane there=E2=80=99s at leas=
t one place (near me) that does on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 don=
=E2=80=99t have a central hole, so can=E2=80=99t be balanced on a regular m=
achine. That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine wi=
th no balancing!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Peter Linn<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Brisbane<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>BN1 Holden V6<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span>MG TC special<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-rig=
ht:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,22=
5,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys=
-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</=
a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>m.g.sharp--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday,=
 May 15, 2023 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;Harold Manifold&#39; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>&gt;=
; &#39;HealeyRick&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; target=3D=
"_blank">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> &#39;Healeys&#39; &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.tea=
m.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">I made up my own adaptor using =
a used hub and knock-off (spinner).=C2=A0 I had a machinist mount the hub o=
n the lathe and ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bear=
ings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide better r=
egistration for the standard cones on a modern balancer.=C2=A0 Then we mach=
ined the centre out of the spinner so=C2=A0 that when the wheel is mounted =
on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fit=
s through it and registers on the hub.=C2=A0 That part is a little tricky a=
s if you machine the hole too big, the spinner will end up in two pieces =
=E2=80=93 measure carefully!=C2=A0 Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet a=
nd machining was $50.=C2=A0 I believe this adaptor will work on any post-wa=
r wire wheels except the Jags, which had different hubs.=C2=A0 Worked a tre=
at on my TC wheels.=C2=A0 Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it a=
lone for now.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-CA">I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it balanced=
 the drum or disk at the same time =E2=80=93 as long as you remembered to m=
ark the position of the wheels when you took them off and did not rotate th=
em (to a different position on the car)!=C2=A0 That is likely one reason =
=C2=A0they are not used anymore, because if your drums were out of balance =
and you added weights to the wheel that balanced them out, then every time =
you removed the wheel, you=E2=80=99d loose the balance, unless it went back=
 in exactly the same position. =C2=A0=C2=A0Anyhow it=E2=80=99s a moot point=
 as I have not seen an on-wheel balancer for decades. =C2=A0=C2=A0I imagine=
 that disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC=
=C2=A0 they were significantly off.=C2=A0 I hear balancing Healey drums bri=
ngs good results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty s=
mooth.=C2=A0 If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced, Garland an=
d Sons in Scarborough did great work for me.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Mirek<u></u><u></u></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div st=
yle=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt=
 solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounce=
s@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harold Manifold<br><b>Sent:</b=
> Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> HealeyRick &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:healeyrik@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
><b>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Wi=
re Wheel Balancer<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-CA">It looks like the kit is designed to follow=C2=A0the =
Dunlop/MWS recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good=
 piece of kit.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Harold<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28=
=E2=80=AFAM HealeyRick via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;bor=
der-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
CA">AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer kit to m=
ount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.=C2=A0 What are your thoughts=
?=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey=
/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=3Demail-1st&amp;utm_source=
=3Dnewsletter&amp;utm_medium=3Demail" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ahspare=
s.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_m=
edium=3Demail-1st&amp;utm_source=3Dnewsletter&amp;utm_medium=3Demail</a><u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-CA">Rick Neville aka &quot;HealeyRick&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang=3D"E=
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