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Re: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers

To: "warthodson@aol.com" <warthodson@aol.com>, Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers
From: Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 13:55:09 -0700
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Gary,

Which is why you wouldn't grind them off, instead...

 A new boot tab could be made with the new number and spot welded in place
(invisible) I've seen it done.
The bonnet and splash apron could have the metal where the original numbers
were cut out and new metal carefully welded in then blended, and again new
numbers stamped. Again, I've seen it done.

I already explained what to do with the cockpit trim pieces, the old
numbers wedded in, then smoothed down to exactly match the back side and
new numbers stamped. My own rear cockpit trim
on my BN1 had around eight holes drilled for studs from back in the day for
a California tonneau cover. We used an old piece of trim as welding
material and carefully welded up all the holes,
then ground, sanded and polished them smooth before anodizing., You can't
tell they were ever there

-Curt

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:31 AM warthodson--- via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

> I think the hardest part would be grinding off the original #'s without
> leaving any evidence of the grinding.
> Gary Hodson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
> To: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2022 9:37 am
> Subject: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers
>
> In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, particularly Ms, I read
> opinions that it would be very difficult to counterfeit all the identifying
> numbers on a Healey. My question for the better informed would it really be
> that difficult to get dies made up to punch realistic numbers, grind off
> the old numbers on the trim pieces and body panels and make up some ID
> plates?  If cars are worth over $150k, I would think it would be a
> relatively small investment in tooling and with all the scanning equipment
> we have now, I can't see it being that difficult.
>
> Don't worry, not asking for a friend.
>
> Rick Neville
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary,<div><br></div><div=
>Which is why you wouldn&#39;t grind them off, instead...</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>=C2=A0A new boot tab could be made with the new number and spot wel=
ded in place (invisible) I&#39;ve seen it done.</div><div>The bonnet and sp=
lash apron could have the metal where the original numbers were cut out and=
 new metal=C2=A0carefully=C2=A0welded in then blended, and again new number=
s stamped. Again, I&#39;ve seen it done.</div><div><br></div><div>I already=
 explained what to do with the cockpit trim pieces, the old numbers wedded=
=C2=A0in, then smoothed down to exactly match the back side and new numbers=
 stamped. My own rear cockpit trim</div><div> on my BN1 had around eight ho=
les drilled for studs from back in the day for a California tonneau cover. =
We used an old piece of trim as welding material=C2=A0and carefully=C2=A0we=
lded up all the holes,</div><div>then ground, sanded and polished them smoo=
th=C2=A0before anodizing., You can&#39;t tell they were ever there</div><di=
v><br></div><div>-Curt</div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 11:31 AM wa=
rthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>heale=
ys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif">I=
 think the hardest part would be grinding off the original #&#39;s without =
leaving any evidence of the grinding.
<div>Gary Hodson<br>
<br>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: HealeyRick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2022 9:37 am<br>
Subject: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers<br>
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_-455992520491130291yiv9523149576">
<div dir=3D"ltr">In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, particul=
arly Ms, I read opinions that it would be very difficult to counterfeit all=
 the identifying numbers on a Healey. My question for the better informed w=
ould it really be that difficult to get dies made up to punch realistic num=
bers, grind off the old numbers on the trim pieces and body panels and make=
 up some ID plates?=C2=A0 If cars are worth over $150k, I would think it wo=
uld be a relatively small investment in tooling and with all the scanning e=
quipment we have now, I can&#39;t see it being that difficult.
<div><br>
</div>

<div>Don&#39;t worry, not asking for a friend.</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Rick Neville</div>
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