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Re: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers

To: HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>, Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers
From: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 17:21:27 +0000
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Rick,
Getting dies to put numbers on would be the relatively easy part. Grinding =
off old numbers would be an amateur way to do it and if investigated, the n=
umber grounded off would show up under certain light and/or acid to find th=
e correct ones. The difficult part, one would have to =93find=94 the BMIHT =
certificate from an original 100M that is not on the road already, I think =
some shady individuals already tried that and were caught doing it if my me=
mory serves me right. Then you also have to get all the proper parts that a=
re exclusive to the 100M, the engine parts, distributor, etc. And then one =
would have to apply for the Worldwide 100 Registry, another step that may b=
e difficult to get if one is trying it with a =93fake 100M=94.
All of the above is not impossible but would likely be very time consuming,=
 costly and fraught with uncertainty unless someone would get lucky and hit=
 a correct number from the BMIHT.

Jean

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Sent: August 16, 2022 10:25 AM
Subject: [Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers

In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, particularly Ms, I read o=
pinions that it would be very difficult to counterfeit all the identifying =
numbers on a Healey. My question for the better informed would it really be=
 that difficult to get dies made up to punch realistic numbers, grind off t=
he old numbers on the trim pieces and body panels and make up some ID plate=
s?  If cars are worth over $150k, I would think it would be a relatively sm=
all investment in tooling and with all the scanning equipment we have now, =
I can't see it being that difficult.

Don't worry, not asking for a friend.

Rick Neville


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick, </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Getting dies to put numbers on would be the relative=
ly easy part. Grinding off old numbers would be an amateur way to do it and=
 if investigated, the number grounded off would show up under certain light=
 and/or acid to find the correct ones.
 The difficult part, one would have to =93find=94 the BMIHT certificate fro=
m an original 100M that is not on the road already, I think some shady indi=
viduals already tried that and were caught doing it if my memory serves me =
right. Then you also have to get all
 the proper parts that are exclusive to the 100M, the engine parts, distrib=
utor, etc. And then one would have to apply for the Worldwide 100 Registry,=
 another step that may be difficult to get if one is trying it with a =93fa=
ke 100M=94.
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">All of the above is not impossible but would likely =
be very time consuming, costly and fraught with uncertainty unless someone =
would get lucky and hit a correct number from the BMIHT.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";>HealeyRick</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>August 16, 2022 10:25 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>Healeys</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Healeys] Counterfeit Numbers</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In watching various auctions of high-end Healeys, pa=
rticularly Ms, I read opinions that it would be very difficult to counterfe=
it all the identifying numbers on a Healey. My question for the better info=
rmed would it really be that difficult
 to get dies made up to punch realistic numbers, grind off the old numbers =
on the trim pieces and body panels and make up some ID plates?&nbsp; If car=
s are worth over $150k, I would think it would be a relatively small invest=
ment in tooling and with all the scanning
 equipment we have now, I can't see it being that difficult.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Don't worry, not asking for a friend.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick Neville<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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