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Gentlemen,
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I had ongoing mild occasional overheating issues in my 3000 tri-carb for =
many years . . . until I fitted a blanking sleeve two years ago.
Problem instantly solved. It=E2=80=99ll sometimes climb to 190 on a =
high-speed hill climb but, otherwise, rock steady where it should be.
=20
The sleeve is a stock BMC part. I got mine from a local Mini supply =
house here in NZ. The part number is 11G 176.
Moss sells them: 434-135. I know other suppliers do also.
=20
I fit it with a wax stat, which sits neatly on top.
=20
Mark
Ardmore
NZ
=20
From: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>=20
Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2022 2:36 PM
To: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>
Cc: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>; Healey list =
<Healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Coolant bypass port in the head - 6-cyl
=20
Harold -
=20
Thank you, now I understand how the whole thing is supposed to work. =
The sleeve works to cut off the bypass so that hot water is not recycled =
into the system after it warms up. FWIW, this only applies to the 6 =
cyl, the 4 cyl doesn't have any sort of bypass.
Yes, I think it would be great if you could share with us which =
thermostat to purchase and how to modify it.
=20
Best,
=20
Alan
=20
On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 1:28 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys =
The coolant bypass plays an important but problematic role in the =
Healey=E2=80=99s cooling system. When the thermostat is closed coolant =
returns to the water pump via the bypass. See the red circle on the =
attached picture. The bypass is important for three reasons: its allows =
the coolant in the block to continue to circulate and come to a uniform =
temperature before the thermostat opens, it prevents hot spots that =
could develop from stagnant coolant and it prevents the water pump from =
dead heading.
=20
The problematic part is in the original design the bypass was closed by =
a sleeve on the bellows type thermostat when the thermostat opened. The =
original Bellows type thermostat used a volatile liquid and were not =
reliable and were not suitable for the 7 psi cooling system pressure. =
Wax type thermostats are much more reliable but they do not have a =
sleeve to close off the bypass. There may be some expensive wax type =
replicas of the original bellows type.
=20
After looking at many options the best option for a reasonably priced =
wax type thermostat with a sleeve to close off the bay pass is the =
modified Land Rover Series ll thermostat. If anyone would like to know =
about modifying the Landver thermostat let me know. It can be easily =
done.
=20
Harold
=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Coolant bypass port in the head - 6-cyl
=20
The coolant travels from the bottom of the radiator to the water pump =
into the block then from the block into the head then through the =
thermostat to the top of the radiator.
=20
M
=20
On Tue., Mar. 29, 2022, 11:57 a.m. Elton S, <eps2660@gmail.com =
As a related question, what is the direction of flow through the =
radiator - up from the bottom or down from the top?
Elton =20
BJ7
=20
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:44 AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com =
As Gary points out, and far as I have been able to figure out, the =
bypass passage is open when the engine is cold, the idea being that by =
"short circuiting" the radiator the coolant in the heater and bypass =
passage will warm up more quickly and the heater will produce heat more =
quickly.=20
We had a slew of the "shrouded " type thermostats that I bought when =
Smiths Canada closed down. The part number was 43570/28 and we used to =
sell them to customers who reported overheating problems.=20
I stopped promoting them as a potential solution to overheating issues =
after being taken to task by a customer who did an extensive study of =
the issue and proved, at least to my satisfaction, that they improved =
cooling not one iota.
=20
M
=20
On Tue., Mar. 29, 2022, 10:47 a.m. Alan Seigrist, <healey.nut@gmail.com =
I don't know if this has ever been answered before, but where does the =
little bypass port begin? =20
=20
What parts of the head does that bypass come in contact with?=20
When do you want to cover the port with a sleeve (when coolant is hot or =
cold?)
=20
I ask because the old bellows style thermostat will cover the bypass =
port when the thermostat opens
then I have another wax thermostat and the sleeve actually cover the =
bypass when it is cold, and doesn't cover it when the thermostat =
opens.... so it works exact opposite to the old bellows style =
thermostat.
=20
confused....
Cheers,
=20
Alan
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>Gentlemen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>I had ongoing mild occasional overheating issues in my 3000 =
tri-carb for many years=C2=A0 . . .=C2=A0 until I fitted a <b>blanking =
sleeve</b> two years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>Problem instantly solved.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99ll sometimes =
climb to 190 on a high-speed hill climb but, otherwise, rock steady =
where it should be.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>The sleeve is a stock BMC part.=C2=A0 I got mine from a =
local Mini supply house here in NZ.=C2=A0 The part number is=C2=A0 =
<b>11G 176</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>Moss sells them: 434-135.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I know =
other suppliers do also.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>I fit it with a wax stat, which sits neatly on =
top.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>Ardmore<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US'>NZ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><img width=3D376 =
height=3D376 style=3D'width:3.9166in;height:3.9166in' =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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n></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Alan Seigrist =
<healey.nut@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 30 March 2022 =
2:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Harold Manifold =
<manifold@telus.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Michael Salter =
<michaelsalter@gmail.com>; Healey list =
<Healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Coolant =
bypass port in the head - 6-cyl<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Harold =
-<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you, now I understand how the whole thing is =
supposed to work. The sleeve works to cut off the bypass so that =
hot water is not recycled into the system after it warms up. FWIW, =
this only applies to the 6 cyl, the 4 cyl doesn't have any sort of =
bypass.<br><br>Yes, I think it would be great if you could share with us =
which thermostat to purchase and how to modify =
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Alan<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 1:28 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The coolant bypass plays an important but problematic role =
in the Healey=E2=80=99s cooling system. When the thermostat is closed =
coolant returns to the water pump via the bypass. See the red circle on =
the attached picture. The bypass is important for three reasons: its =
allows the coolant in the block to continue to circulate and come to a =
uniform temperature before the thermostat opens, it prevents hot spots =
that could develop from stagnant coolant and it prevents the water pump =
from dead heading.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The problematic part is in the original design the bypass =
was closed by a sleeve on the bellows type thermostat when the =
thermostat opened. The original Bellows type thermostat used a volatile =
liquid and were not reliable and were not suitable for the 7 psi cooling =
system pressure. Wax type thermostats are much more reliable but they do =
not have a sleeve to close off the bypass. There may be some expensive =
wax type replicas of the original bellows type.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>After looking at many options the best option for a =
reasonably priced wax type thermostat with a sleeve to close off the bay =
pass is the modified Land Rover Series ll thermostat. If anyone would =
like to know about modifying the Landver thermostat let me know. It can =
be easily done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Harold<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From: </span></b><span lang=3DEN-US><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Michael Salter =
via Healeys</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, March 29, 2022 9:17 =
AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" =
target=3D"_blank">Healey list</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] =
Coolant bypass port in the head - 6-cyl<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The coolant travels from the bottom of the radiator to the =
water pump into the block then from the block into the head then through =
the thermostat to the top of the radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>On Tue., Mar. 29, 2022, 11:57 a.m. Elton S, <<a =
href=3D"mailto:eps2660@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">eps2660@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>As a related question, what is the direction of flow =
through the radiator - up from the bottom or down from the =
top?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Elton <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>BJ7<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:44 AM Michael Salter <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>As Gary points out, and far as I have been able to figure =
out, the bypass passage is open when the engine is cold, the idea being =
that by "short circuiting" the radiator the coolant in the =
heater and bypass passage will warm up more quickly and the heater will =
produce heat more quickly. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>We had a slew of the "shrouded " type thermostats =
that I bought when Smiths Canada closed down. The part number was =
43570/28 and we used to sell them to customers who reported overheating =
problems. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I stopped promoting them as a potential solution to =
overheating issues after being taken to task by a customer who did an =
extensive study of the issue and proved, at least to my =
satisfaction, that they improved cooling not one =
iota.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>On Tue., Mar. 29, 2022, 10:47 a.m. Alan Seigrist, <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I don't know if this has ever been answered before, but =
where does the little bypass port begin? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>What parts of the head does that bypass come in contact =
with? <br><br>When do you want to cover the port with a sleeve =
(when coolant is hot or cold?)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I ask because the old bellows style thermostat will cover =
the bypass port when the thermostat opens<br><br>then I have another wax =
thermostat and the sleeve actually cover the bypass when it is cold, and =
doesn't cover it when the thermostat opens.... so it works exact =
opposite to the old bellows style =
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