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I would guess that the BN4 designation for the early 6 cylinder cars was al=
ready set while they were still working out the details of design.
BN was used to designate two seat roadsters and BT to designate four seater=
s, but since all of the paperwork had already been done using the BN design=
ation by the time the left hand discovered the right hand had added two mor=
e seats they decided to make an exception.
The other way to look at it is to think that Austins didn't take the four s=
eat configuration very seriously and that it was only a sales ploy not wort=
hy of a new designation, both notions have some shred of plausibility.
If we are confused by all of this after the fact I think we should be aware=
that Austin's bureaucracy could have been equally confused while it was oc=
curring.
Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Keith Pennell v=
ia Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 9:30 PM
To: bspidell@comcast.net <bspidell@comcast.net>; healeys@autox.team.net <he=
aleys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Jamaican
Well, not by my understanding. By Webster the 100-4 and BN6 and BN7 would =
be roadsters. So what would you call all the other models - convertibles? =
Whether roadster or convertible had nothing to do with the number of seats=
for a big Healey. Roadsters had a removable top with frame (100-4, BN4, B=
N6, BN7) and convertibles had the top frame attached to the car (BJ7, BJ8).=
My .02
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
To: Keith Pennell <llennep@verizon.net>; healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Jamaican
I always thought the 'roadsters'--mainly, the 'N' series--were two-seaters =
(by definition):
https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3Droadster+definitio=
n+english
Where are the back seats in a BNX?
Bob
On 8/7/2019 7:54 AM, Keith Pennell wrote:
Bob
Not sure what you mean by the 2+2s. The convertibles and roadsters are bot=
h 2+2.
?????
Keith
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Jamaican
Just happened to stumble across this today:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-healey-3000-bt7-4-seat-roadst=
er-13/
Seems to be a real price delta between roadsters and 2+2s
Bob
On 8/7/2019 1:59 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote:
> I must say, I'd never heard of one before. Looks very pretty and sounds
> to have been well and truly sorted. Like the Miura-like style, but I'd
> rather have the real thing (Miura) - sorry I know that's anathema here :-=
)
>
> As for price: It has a decent history, it would appear to have had a lot
> of work done by people who really know what they are doing and has a
> racing pedigree and is HRDC-registered. It's probably eligible for a lot
> of historic events.
>
> That being said a properly sorted Healey of similar vintage is getting
> to be quite expensive over here:
>
> https://rawlesmotorsport.co.uk/CarSales/austin-healey-3000-mkii-bn7-centr=
e-change-2/
>
> Conclusion: It's over-priced but possibly not by that much. I would
> guess by about =A310k. What distinguishes it is what has been done to it
> and it's proven performance and competitiveness.
>
> The other thing of course is that if you are going to race it, you'd
> better have enough spare cash to be able to rebuild whatever you break!
>
> As a matter of interest would the Mk1 register accept it? or for that
> matter AHCUK HDI?
>
> Peter
>
>
>
an@alexarevel.plus.com> wrote:
>> See:-
>>
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1959-Austin-Healey-3000-Mk1-Jamaican-Historic=
-Race-Car-285bhp/183909256707?hash=3Ditem2ad1d88e03:g:~YwAAOSwWkddRoH8
>>
>> Looks OK if you like that sort of thing.
>>
>> Strange name for a car?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
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I would guess that the BN4 designation for the early 6 cylinder cars was al=
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BN was used to designate two seat roadsters and BT to designate four seater=
s, but since all of the paperwork had already been done using the BN design=
ation by the time the left hand discovered the right hand had added two mor=
e seats they decided to make an
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The other way to look at it is to think that Austins didn't take the four s=
eat configuration very seriously and that it was only a sales ploy not wort=
hy of a new designation, both notions have some shred of plausibility.</div=
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If we are confused by all of this after the fact I think we should be aware=
that Austin's bureaucracy could have been equally confused while it was oc=
curring.</div>
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys <healeys-b=
ounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Keith Pennell via Healeys <healey=
s@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 7, 2019 9:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> bspidell@comcast.net <bspidell@comcast.net>; healeys@autox=
.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Jamaican</font>
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<div style=3D"color:black; font:10pt arial">Well, not by my understanding.&=
nbsp; By Webster the 100-4 and BN6 and BN7 would be roadsters. So wha=
t would you call all the other models - convertibles? Whether roadste=
r or convertible had nothing to do with the number
of seats for a big Healey. Roadsters had a removable top with frame =
(100-4, BN4, BN6, BN7) and convertibles had the top frame attached to the c=
ar (BJ7, BJ8). My .02<br clear=3D"none">
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From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net><br clear=3D"none">
To: Keith Pennell <llennep@verizon.net>; healeys <healeys@autox.te=
am.net><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 12:16 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Jamaican<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>I always thought the 'roadsters'--mainly, the 'N' series--were two-sea=
ters (by definition):</div>
<div><a class=3D"x_yiv8400680936moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.=
google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3Droadster+definition=
3;english" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">https://www.go=
ogle.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3Droadster+definition+=
english</a></div>
<div>Where are the back seats in a BNX?</div>
<div>Bob<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"x_yiv8400680936moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/2019 7:54 AM, Keith Pe=
nnell wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>Not sure what you mean by the 2+2s. The convertibles and roa=
dsters are both 2+2.</div>
<div>?????</div>
<div>Keith</div>
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To: healeys <a class=3D"x_yiv8400680936moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailt=
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Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 10:44 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Jamaican<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Just happened to stumble across this today:<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
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<a href=3D"https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-healey-3000-bt7-4-=
seat-roadster-13/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">https:=
//bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-healey-3000-bt7-4-seat-roadster-13/=
</a><br clear=3D"none">
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one">
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Bob<br clear=3D"none">
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On 8/7/2019 1:59 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
> I must say, I'd never heard of one before. Looks very pretty and sound=
s<br clear=3D"none">
> to have been well and truly sorted. Like the Miura-like style, but I'd=
<br clear=3D"none">
> rather have the real thing (Miura) - sorry I know that's anathema here=
:-)<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> As for price: It has a decent history, it would appear to have had a l=
ot<br clear=3D"none">
> of work done by people who really know what they are doing and has a<b=
r clear=3D"none">
> racing pedigree and is HRDC-registered. It's probably eligible for a l=
ot<br clear=3D"none">
> of historic events.<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> That being said a properly sorted Healey of similar vintage is getting=
<br clear=3D"none">
> to be quite expensive over here:<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> <a href=3D"https://rawlesmotorsport.co.uk/CarSales/austin-healey-3000-=
mkii-bn7-centre-change-2/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect=
">
https://rawlesmotorsport.co.uk/CarSales/austin-healey-3000-mkii-bn7-centre-=
change-2/</a><br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> Conclusion: It's over-priced but possibly not by that much. I would<br=
clear=3D"none">
> guess by about =A310k. What distinguishes it is what has been done to =
it<br clear=3D"none">
> and it's proven performance and competitiveness.<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> The other thing of course is that if you are going to race it, you'd<b=
r clear=3D"none">
> better have enough spare cash to be able to rebuild whatever you break=
!<br clear=3D"none">
><br clear=3D"none">
> As a matter of interest would the Mk1 register accept it? or for that<=
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> matter AHCUK HDI?<br clear=3D"none">
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> Peter<br clear=3D"none">
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> On 06/08/2019 18:01, <a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.c=
om" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">
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>> See:-<br clear=3D"none">
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>> <a href=3D"https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1959-Austin-Healey-3000-Mk1-=
Jamaican-Historic-Race-Car-285bhp/183909256707?hash=3Ditem2ad1d88e03:g:~YwA=
AOSwWkddRoH8" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1959-Austin-Healey-3000-Mk1-Jamaican-Historic-Ra=
ce-Car-285bhp/183909256707?hash=3Ditem2ad1d88e03:g:~YwAAOSwWkddRoH8</a><br =
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>> Looks OK if you like that sort of thing.<br clear=3D"none">
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>> Strange name for a car?<br clear=3D"none">
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>> Simon<br clear=3D"none">
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