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Michael,
I agree with you. It's a sickness.
It took 20+ years to figure out the British strength rating codes! I just
learned a new fact last night, there is a "Y" strength rating (80-90 tsi)
that I've never heard about before, and who really cares as it was probably
used on British Tanks or Battleships.
Cheers
C
On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 8:34 AM Michael Salter <michael.salter@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Curt I'm starting to become concerned about this addictive behavior with
> respect to fasteners ... perhaps you should be considering seeking
> counseling =F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3
>
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 1:45 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> The Charles Falco article is somewhat dated, but overall is factually
>> correct if not complete. I've personally spoken with Charles regarding
>> this article. He is correct, it is common to find UNC bolts and studs u=
sed
>> where BSW threads were originally tapped. I discuss this in my article
>> with regard to the generator link adjusting bolt on BN1/2 (possibly
>> 100-6's) and Bugeye Sprites.
>>
>> One of the biggest misconceptions that I've come across (even from Brits
>> that I know) is that *the only Whitworth fasteners* are BSW, and BSF,
>> BSP, BSPT, BSB, etc... and others are somehow NOT Whitworth. Totally
>> untrue! Whitworth is BY DEFINITION is...
>>
>>
>> *Whitworth Screw Thread Form: **A thread form and system of standard
>> sizes, proposed by Joseph Whitworth in 1841 and adopted as standard in t=
he
>> U.K., having a flank angle of 55=C2=B0 and a rounded top (crest) and foo=
t
>> (root). (Named after Sir Joseph Whitworth (1803--87), English engineer).=
*
>>
>>
>> As you can read, Whitworth is a thread form, and NOT a hex bolt/nut
>> size. Note that this says NOTHING about hex head/spanner size.
>>
>> Case in point...The confusion has to do with bolt head sizing with regar=
d
>> to certain other British fasteners such as BSC or BSCy - (British Standa=
rd
>> Cycle) and the older now obsolete CEI - (Cycle Engineers Institute} bolt=
s,
>> that while they have Whitworth hex heads, are a thread form with a 60=C2=
=B0 thread
>> pitch angle, ergo not Whitworth.
>>
>> Are we confused yet? Wikipedia also does not help the debate since they
>> incorrectly list BSC bolts as Whitworth, when technically they are not.
>>
>> *There will be a quiz *;-^)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:01 PM Mirek Sharp <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is another article (actually an old post from another forum) on
>>> British fasteners. It is interesting but note that the author was not
>>> clear on the pipe threads, not distinguishing BSPP and BSPT, and provid=
es
>>> somewhat dubious advice at the end about =E2=80=9Cmaking do=E2=80=9D wi=
th UNC instead of
>>> the correct fastener. My advice =E2=80=93 use the correct threading sy=
stem and
>>> grade of bolt. Note, that despite my earlier tongue-in-cheek comments,=
the
>>> BA thread system is based on metric principles, but with the unavoidabl=
e
>>> English twist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Mirek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *=
Curtis
>>> Arndt
>>> *Sent:* November-22-18 3:46 AM
>>> *To:* Michael Oritt
>>> *Cc:* John Vrugtman; Healey List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] bolt identification
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is some more pertinent information that might help...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've attached a copy of my 1957 vintage machinery Handbook which shows
>>> the various markings used to denote Whitworth from Unified fasteners.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also an excerpt from one of my yet completed articles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>> *Error! Filename not specified.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Like most British bolts of the earlier part of last century, the Vendor
>>> name was printed on the bolt, e.g. Rubery-Owen or RO, Bees, Wiley, Wode=
n
>>> and about 30+ others. So to answer your question... BEES was the vendo=
r.
>>> The bolt you refer to with an actual Bee on the head is a very early bo=
lt,
>>> and is one that I have in my collection. It most likely is a Whitworth
>>> bolt, either BSF (fine) or BSW (coarse).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The "Rubery Owen B28-35" that you refer to is a "Mild" steel bolt,
>>> similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt. The strength rating is "B" and th=
e
>>> measurement is 28 to 35 tons per square inch or tons tensile. The rang=
e
>>> refers to "yield" strength and "ultimate tensile" strength as described=
in
>>> my attached article. FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a ton and you'll get=
the
>>> strength in pounds, or psi... HOWEVER we're talking British here, so i=
t's
>>> not 2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 pounds as in a British Long T=
on!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Along with the vendor name was the strength rating expressed as a lette=
r
>>> which for *hi tensile* bolts was D, E, F and G prior to 1950 and
>>> changed to R, S, T, U, V, W, and X after 1950. I have included
>>> (attached) my draft on British Strength rating codes decoded which I ho=
pe
>>> to officially publish on my blog site once it's up and running.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, the bolt heads were marked to differentiate Whitworth (BSW, BSF,
>>> etc...) from UNF and UNC once this new thread form system was phased in
>>> during the early 1950s. For bolts, that was a "circular" depression on=
the
>>> head of the bolt which meant the bolt was a "Unified" versus a "Whitwor=
th"
>>> thread form bolt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope this helps and email me directly if you have any further
>>> questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John--
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Check this out:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAP=
KY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy Thanksgiving to you and Cindi.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen
>>>
>>> Bees bolts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, but no
>>> reference to the manufacturer
>>>
>>> On 11/21/2018 6:58 PM, warthodson@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I was sorting thru a box of hardware & found two bolts that I cannot
>>> identify. They both are approx. 1/4" diameter. They both have the same
>>> thread per inch. According to my thread gage they are between 24 & 26 T=
PI.
>>> So call it 25 TPI. I do not have a metric thread gage to check them aga=
inst.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One is marked "Rubery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures about 5/8"
>>> long. The other is marked "BEES" & has a embossed emblem of a bee on th=
e
>>> head & measures about 3/4" long. The lengths do not include the head, o=
f
>>> course. No other markings on the heads.
>>>
>>> They will not accept a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts that =
I
>>> have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone ID these for me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gary Hodson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Michael,<div><br></div><div>I agree with you. It's a s=
ickness.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>It took 20+ years to figure out the=
British strength rating codes!=C2=A0 I just learned a new fact last night,=
there is a "Y" strength rating (80-90 tsi) that I've never h=
eard about before, and who really cares as it was probably used on British =
Tanks or Battleships.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><=
br></div><div>C</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0<br></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 8:34 AM Michael=
Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:michael.salter@gmail.com";>michael.salter@gmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"au=
to">Curt I'm starting to become concerned about this addictive behavior=
with respect to fasteners=C2=A0 ... perhaps you should be considering seek=
ing counseling =F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3</div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 1:45 AM Curtis Arndt &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">cnaarndt@gmail.co=
m</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Gentl=
emen,<div><br></div><div>The Charles Falco article is somewhat dated, but o=
verall is factually correct if not complete.=C2=A0 I've personally spok=
en with Charles regarding this article.=C2=A0 He is correct, it is common t=
o find UNC bolts and studs used where BSW threads were originally tapped.=
=C2=A0 I discuss this in my article with regard to the generator link adjus=
ting bolt on BN1/2 (possibly 100-6's) and Bugeye Sprites.</div><div><br=
></div><div>One of the biggest misconceptions that I've come across (ev=
en from Brits that I know) is that <u>the only <b>Whitworth</b> fasteners</=
u> are BSW, and BSF, BSP, BSPT, BSB, etc... and others are somehow NOT Whit=
worth.=C2=A0 Totally untrue!=C2=A0 Whitworth is BY DEFINITION is...</div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><i><br></i></span></b></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"=
;Times New Roman",serif"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif"><i>Whitworth Screw Thread=C2=A0Form:=C2=A0</i></span></=
b><i style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>A thread form a=
nd system of standard sizes, proposed by Joseph Whitworth in
1841 and adopted as standard in the U.K., <u>having a flank angle of 55=C2=
=B0 and a
rounded top (crest) and foot (root)</u>.</b></span><b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">=C2=A0</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">(Named after Sir Jo=
seph Whitworth (1803--87), English
engineer).</span>=C2=A0</b></i></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0=
in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",seri=
f"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</span></p></div><div>As you can read, Whitworth is a thread f=
orm, and NOT a hex bolt/nut size.=C2=A0 Note that this says NOTHING about h=
ex head/spanner size.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Case in point...The co=
nfusion has to do with bolt head sizing with regard to certain other Britis=
h fasteners such as BSC or BSCy - (British Standard Cycle) and the older no=
w obsolete CEI - (Cycle Engineers Institute} bolts, that while they have Wh=
itworth hex heads, are a thread form with a 60<span style=3D"font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt">=C2=B0</span>=C2=A0thread pitch angle, erg=
o not Whitworth.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Are we confused yet?=
=C2=A0 Wikipedia also does not help the debate since they incorrectly list =
BSC bolts as Whitworth, when technically they are not.</div><div><br></div>=
<div><b>There will be a quiz </b>;-^)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div=
><div><br></div><div>Curt</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:01 PM Mir=
ek Sharp <<a href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca"; rel=3D"noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div=
class=3D"m_-4944220125285808812m_-3706481618642137935m_5269663606649340336=
m_-7531136270762367447WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Her=
e is another article (actually an old post from another forum) on British f=
asteners.=C2=A0 It is interesting but note that the author was not clear on=
the pipe threads, not distinguishing BSPP and BSPT, and provides somewhat =
dubious advice at the end about =E2=80=9Cmaking do=E2=80=9D with UNC instea=
d of the correct fastener.=C2=A0 My advice =E2=80=93 use the correct thread=
ing system and grade of bolt.=C2=A0 Note, that despite my earlier tongue-in=
-cheek comments, the BA thread system is based on metric principles, but wi=
th the unavoidable English twist.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
;sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif"">Cheers, Mirek<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","=
;sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Healeys [mai=
lto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cur=
tis Arndt<br><b>Sent:</b> November-22-18 3:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Orit=
t<br><b>Cc:</b> John Vrugtman; Healey List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]=
bolt identification<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">John,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">Here is some more pertinent information that might help...<u></u><u></u=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">I've attached a copy of my 1957 vintage machinery=
Handbook which shows the various markings used to denote Whitworth from Un=
ified fasteners.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also an excerpt from one=
of my yet completed articles.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Curt<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">Error! Filename not specified.</span=
></b>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 22, =
2018 at 12:32 AM Curtis Arndt <<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc =
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal">John,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Like most British bo=
lts of the earlier part of last century, the Vendor name was printed on the=
bolt, e.g. Rubery-Owen or RO, Bees, Wiley, Woden and about 30+ others.=C2=
=A0 So to answer your question... BEES was the vendor.=C2=A0 The bolt you r=
efer to with an actual Bee on the head is a very early bolt, and is one tha=
t I have in my collection.=C2=A0 It most likely is a Whitworth bolt, either=
BSF (fine) or BSW (coarse).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The=C2=A0<sp=
an style=3D"font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blac=
k">=C2=A0"Rubery Owen B28-35"</span>=C2=A0that you refer to is a =
"Mild" steel bolt, similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt.=
=C2=A0 The strength rating is "B" and the measurement is 28 to 35=
tons per square inch or tons tensile.=C2=A0 The range refers to "yiel=
d" strength and "ultimate tensile" strength as described in =
my attached article.=C2=A0 FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a ton and you'l=
l get the strength in pounds, or psi... HOWEVER=C2=A0 we're talking Bri=
tish here, so it's not 2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 pounds as =
in a British Long Ton!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Along with the ven=
dor name was the strength rating expressed as a letter which for <u>hi tens=
ile</u> bolts was D, E, F and G prior to 1950 and changed to R, S, T,=C2=A0=
U,=C2=A0 V,=C2=A0 W,=C2=A0 and X after 1950.=C2=A0 I have included (attach=
ed) my draft on British Strength rating codes decoded which I hope to offic=
ially publish on my blog site once it's up and running.<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Also, the bolt heads were marked to differentiate Whitwo=
rth (BSW, BSF, etc...) from UNF and UNC once this new thread form system wa=
s phased in during the early 1950s.=C2=A0 For bolts, that was a "circu=
lar" depression on the head of the bolt which meant the bolt was a &qu=
ot;Unified" versus a "Whitworth" thread form bolt.<u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope this helps and email me directly if you hav=
e any further questions.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u=
></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Curt<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM Michael Orit=
t <<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm=
0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff">Hi John--<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#3333ff">Check this out:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff"><a href=3D"ht=
tp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY/s16=
00/Bee:1.jpg" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://3.bp.blogspot.com=
/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg</a></span=
><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#3333ff">Happy Tha=
nksgiving to you and Cindi.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><=
/div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <<a href=
=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">javr=
ugtman@htcnet.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=
=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;m=
argin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt"><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen"; re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owe=
n</a><br><br>Bees bolts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, but =
no reference to the manufacturer=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">On 11/21/2018 6:58 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">warthodson@aol.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"A=
rial","sans-serif";color:black">I was sorting thru a box of =
hardware & found two bolts that I cannot identify. They both are approx=
. 1/4" diameter. They both have the same thread per inch. According to=
my thread gage they are between 24 & 26 TPI. So call it 25 TPI. I do n=
ot have a metric thread gage to check them against.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">One =
is marked "Rubery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures about 5=
/8" long. The other is marked "BEES" & has a embossed em=
blem of a bee on the head & measures about 3/4" long. The lengths =
do not include the head, of course. No other markings on the heads.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">T=
hey will not accept a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts that I hav=
e.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"=
;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sa=
ns-serif";color:black">Can anyone ID these for me?<u></u><u></u></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">=
Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"=
;color:black">Gary Hodson =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></b=
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