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Thanks Curt, we can never know too much about our bolts, or our nuts. I =
use CEI a lot, as I have a couple of older BSAs and they used CEI in 95% =
of the applications, most, but not all of them from Rubery Owen. One of =
the gurus from the Velocette club once did in fact do a quiz on =
fasteners at one of our AGMs. The question was, =E2=80=9CHow many =
threading systems did Velocette use on their bikes?=E2=80=9D I cannot =
recall the answer, but it was surprisingly high =E2=80=93 if I can find =
the answer, I will post it.. My personal favourite was =
=E2=80=9CAdmiralty thread=E2=80=9D, which I seem to recall was for the =
top fork nuts on a Velo, and also has a Whitworth form:
British Admiralty Fine Threads
(Whitworth Form)
Diameter.............TPI
Under 1/2"............24
1/2" & under 3/4".....20
3/4" & under 1".......14
1" & under 2".........12
2" & under 4"..........8
4" & over..............6
=20
Fastenerating, isn=E2=80=99t it?
=20
=20
=20
From: Curtis Arndt [mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com]=20
Sent: November-23-18 7:39 PM
To: Mirek Sharp
Cc: Michael Oritt; John Vrugtman; Healey List; Oudesluys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] bolt identification - another article
=20
Gentlemen,
=20
The Charles Falco article is somewhat dated, but overall is factually =
correct if not complete. I've personally spoken with Charles regarding =
this article. He is correct, it is common to find UNC bolts and studs =
used where BSW threads were originally tapped. I discuss this in my =
article with regard to the generator link adjusting bolt on BN1/2 =
(possibly 100-6's) and Bugeye Sprites.
=20
One of the biggest misconceptions that I've come across (even from Brits =
that I know) is that the only Whitworth fasteners are BSW, and BSF, BSP, =
BSPT, BSB, etc... and others are somehow NOT Whitworth. Totally untrue! =
Whitworth is BY DEFINITION is...
=20
Whitworth Screw Thread Form: A thread form and system of standard sizes, =
proposed by Joseph Whitworth in 1841 and adopted as standard in the =
U.K., having a flank angle of 55=C2=B0 and a rounded top (crest) and =
foot (root). (Named after Sir Joseph Whitworth (1803--87), English =
engineer).=20
=20
As you can read, Whitworth is a thread form, and NOT a hex bolt/nut =
size. Note that this says NOTHING about hex head/spanner size.=20
=20
Case in point...The confusion has to do with bolt head sizing with =
regard to certain other British fasteners such as BSC or BSCy - (British =
Standard Cycle) and the older now obsolete CEI - (Cycle Engineers =
Institute} bolts, that while they have Whitworth hex heads, are a thread =
form with a 60=C2=B0 thread pitch angle, ergo not Whitworth. =20
=20
Are we confused yet? Wikipedia also does not help the debate since they =
incorrectly list BSC bolts as Whitworth, when technically they are not.
=20
There will be a quiz ;-^)
=20
Cheers,
=20
Curt
=20
=20
=20
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:01 PM Mirek Sharp <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca> =
wrote:
Here is another article (actually an old post from another forum) on =
British fasteners. It is interesting but note that the author was not =
clear on the pipe threads, not distinguishing BSPP and BSPT, and =
provides somewhat dubious advice at the end about =E2=80=9Cmaking =
do=E2=80=9D with UNC instead of the correct fastener. My advice =
=E2=80=93 use the correct threading system and grade of bolt. Note, =
that despite my earlier tongue-in-cheek comments, the BA thread system =
is based on metric principles, but with the unavoidable English twist.
=20
Cheers, Mirek
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Curtis Arndt
Sent: November-22-18 3:46 AM
To: Michael Oritt
Cc: John Vrugtman; Healey List
Subject: Re: [Healeys] bolt identification
=20
John,
=20
Here is some more pertinent information that might help...
=20
I've attached a copy of my 1957 vintage machinery Handbook which shows =
the various markings used to denote Whitworth from Unified fasteners.
=20
Also an excerpt from one of my yet completed articles.
=20
Cheers,
=20
Curt
Error! Filename not specified. =20
=20
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com> =
wrote:
John,
=20
Like most British bolts of the earlier part of last century, the Vendor =
name was printed on the bolt, e.g. Rubery-Owen or RO, Bees, Wiley, Woden =
and about 30+ others. So to answer your question... BEES was the =
vendor. The bolt you refer to with an actual Bee on the head is a very =
early bolt, and is one that I have in my collection. It most likely is =
a Whitworth bolt, either BSF (fine) or BSW (coarse).
=20
The "Rubery Owen B28-35" that you refer to is a "Mild" steel bolt, =
similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt. The strength rating is "B" and the =
measurement is 28 to 35 tons per square inch or tons tensile. The range =
refers to "yield" strength and "ultimate tensile" strength as described =
in my attached article. FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a ton and you'll =
get the strength in pounds, or psi... HOWEVER we're talking British =
here, so it's not 2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 pounds as in a =
British Long Ton!
=20
Along with the vendor name was the strength rating expressed as a letter =
which for hi tensile bolts was D, E, F and G prior to 1950 and changed =
to R, S, T, U, V, W, and X after 1950. I have included (attached) =
my draft on British Strength rating codes decoded which I hope to =
officially publish on my blog site once it's up and running.
=20
Also, the bolt heads were marked to differentiate Whitworth (BSW, BSF, =
etc...) from UNF and UNC once this new thread form system was phased in =
during the early 1950s. For bolts, that was a "circular" depression on =
the head of the bolt which meant the bolt was a "Unified" versus a =
"Whitworth" thread form bolt.
=20
I hope this helps and email me directly if you have any further =
questions.
=20
Cheers,
=20
Curt
=20
=20
=20
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com> =
wrote:
Hi John--
=20
Check this out:
=20
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY=
/s1600/Bee:1.jpg
=20
Happy Thanksgiving to you and Cindi.
=20
Best--Michael Oritt
=20
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org> =
wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen
Bees bolts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, but no =
reference to the manufacturer =20
On 11/21/2018 6:58 PM, warthodson@aol.com wrote:
I was sorting thru a box of hardware & found two bolts that I cannot =
identify. They both are approx. 1/4" diameter. They both have the same =
thread per inch. According to my thread gage they are between 24 & 26 =
TPI. So call it 25 TPI. I do not have a metric thread gage to check them =
against.
=20
One is marked "Rubery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures about 5/8" =
long. The other is marked "BEES" & has a embossed emblem of a bee on the =
head & measures about 3/4" long. The lengths do not include the head, of =
course. No other markings on the heads.
They will not accept a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts that I =
have.=20
=20
Can anyone ID these for me?
=20
Thanks,
Gary Hodson =20
=20
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks =
Curt, we can never know too much about our bolts, or our nuts. I =
use CEI a lot, as I have a couple of older BSAs and they used CEI in 95% =
of the applications, most, but not all of them from Rubery Owen. =
One of the gurus from the Velocette club once did in fact do a quiz on =
fasteners at one of our AGMs. The question was, =E2=80=9CHow many =
threading systems did Velocette use on their bikes?=E2=80=9D I =
cannot recall the answer, but it was surprisingly high =E2=80=93 if I =
can find the answer, I will post it.. My personal favourite was =
=E2=80=9CAdmiralty thread=E2=80=9D, which I seem to recall was for the =
top fork nuts on a Velo, and also has a Whitworth =
form:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#333333'>British Admiralty Fine =
Threads<br>(Whitworth Form)<br><br>Diameter.............TPI<br><br>Under =
1/2"............24<br>1/2" & under =
3/4".....20<br>3/4" & under 1".......14<br>1" =
& under 2".........12<br>2" & under =
4"..........8<br>4" & over..............6</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Fastenerati=
ng, isn=E2=80=99t it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Curtis =
Arndt [mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> November-23-18 7:39 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Mirek Sharp<br><b>Cc:</b> Michael Oritt; John Vrugtman; =
Healey List; Oudesluys<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] bolt =
identification - another article<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gentlemen,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The Charles Falco article is somewhat dated, but =
overall is factually correct if not complete. I've personally =
spoken with Charles regarding this article. He is correct, it is =
common to find UNC bolts and studs used where BSW threads were =
originally tapped. I discuss this in my article with regard to the =
generator link adjusting bolt on BN1/2 (possibly 100-6's) and Bugeye =
Sprites.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>One of the biggest misconceptions that I've come =
across (even from Brits that I know) is that <u>the only =
<b>Whitworth</b> fasteners</u> are BSW, and BSF, BSP, BSPT, BSB, etc... =
and others are somehow NOT Whitworth. Totally untrue! =
Whitworth is BY DEFINITION is...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Whitworth =
Screw Thread Form: A thread form and system of standard sizes, =
proposed by Joseph Whitworth in 1841 and adopted as standard in the =
U.K., <u>having a flank angle of 55=C2=B0 and a rounded top (crest) and =
foot (root)</u>.</span> </i></b><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(Named after =
Sir Joseph Whitworth (1803--87), English =
engineer).</span></i></b><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></i></b><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>As you can =
read, Whitworth is a thread form, and NOT a hex bolt/nut size. =
Note that this says NOTHING about hex head/spanner =
size. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Case in point...The confusion has to do with bolt head =
sizing with regard to certain other British fasteners such as BSC or =
BSCy - (British Standard Cycle) and the older now obsolete CEI - (Cycle =
Engineers Institute} bolts, that while they have Whitworth hex heads, =
are a thread form with a 60<span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>=C2=B0</span>=
thread pitch angle, ergo not =
Whitworth. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Are we confused yet? Wikipedia also does not =
help the debate since they incorrectly list BSC bolts as Whitworth, when =
technically they are not.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>There will be a quiz =
</b>;-^)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Curt<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:01 PM Mirek Sharp <<a =
href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca"; =
target=3D"_blank">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Here is =
another article (actually an old post from another forum) on British =
fasteners. It is interesting but note that the author was not =
clear on the pipe threads, not distinguishing BSPP and BSPT, and =
provides somewhat dubious advice at the end about =E2=80=9Cmaking =
do=E2=80=9D with UNC instead of the correct fastener. My advice =
=E2=80=93 use the correct threading system and grade of bolt. =
Note, that despite my earlier tongue-in-cheek comments, the BA thread =
system is based on metric principles, but with the unavoidable English =
twist.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers, =
Mirek</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys =
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Curtis Arndt<br><b>Sent:</b> November-22-18 3:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Michael Oritt<br><b>Cc:</b> John Vrugtman; Healey =
List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] bolt =
identification</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John,<o:p></=
o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Here is =
some more pertinent information that might =
help...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I've =
attached a copy of my 1957 vintage machinery Handbook which shows the =
various markings used to denote Whitworth from Unified =
fasteners.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Also an =
excerpt from one of my yet completed =
articles.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers,<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Curt<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Error! Filename not specified.</span></b> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Nov =
22, 2018 at 12:32 AM Curtis Arndt <<a =
href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>John,<o:p></=
o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Like most =
British bolts of the earlier part of last century, the Vendor name was =
printed on the bolt, e.g. Rubery-Owen or RO, Bees, Wiley, Woden and =
about 30+ others. So to answer your question... BEES was the =
vendor. The bolt you refer to with an actual Bee on the head is a =
very early bolt, and is one that I have in my collection. It most =
likely is a Whitworth bolt, either BSF (fine) or BSW =
(coarse).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The <sp=
an =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "Rubery=
Owen B28-35"</span> that you refer to is a "Mild" =
steel bolt, similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt. The =
strength rating is "B" and the measurement is 28 to 35 tons =
per square inch or tons tensile. The range refers to =
"yield" strength and "ultimate tensile" strength as =
described in my attached article. FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a =
ton and you'll get the strength in pounds, or psi... HOWEVER we're =
talking British here, so it's not 2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 =
pounds as in a British Long Ton!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Along with =
the vendor name was the strength rating expressed as a letter which for =
<u>hi tensile</u> bolts was D, E, F and G prior to 1950 and changed to =
R, S, T, U, V, W, and X after 1950. I have =
included (attached) my draft on British Strength rating codes decoded =
which I hope to officially publish on my blog site once it's up and =
running.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Also, the =
bolt heads were marked to differentiate Whitworth (BSW, BSF, etc...) =
from UNF and UNC once this new thread form system was phased in during =
the early 1950s. For bolts, that was a "circular" =
depression on the head of the bolt which meant the bolt was a =
"Unified" versus a "Whitworth" thread form =
bolt.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I hope this =
helps and email me directly if you have any further =
questions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Cheers,<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Curt<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Nov =
21, 2018 at 9:01 PM Michael Oritt <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Hi John--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Check this =
out:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><a =
href=3D"http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1-=
-MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg" =
target=3D"_blank">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAA=
AAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p=
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Happy Thanksgiving to you and =
Cindi.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael =
Oritt</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Nov =
21, 2018 at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <<a =
href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; =
target=3D"_blank">javrugtman@htcnet.org</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen"; =
target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen</a><br><br>Be=
es bolts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, but no reference =
to the manufacturer <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On =
11/21/2018 6:58 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:warthodson@aol.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">warthodson@aol.com</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
was sorting thru a box of hardware & found two bolts that I cannot =
identify. They both are approx. 1/4" diameter. They both have the =
same thread per inch. According to my thread gage they are between 24 =
& 26 TPI. So call it 25 TPI. I do not have a metric thread gage to =
check them against.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
ne is marked "Rubery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures =
about 5/8" long. The other is marked "BEES" & has a =
embossed emblem of a bee on the head & measures about 3/4" =
long. The lengths do not include the head, of course. No other markings =
on the heads.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
hey will not accept a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts that I =
have. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>C=
an anyone ID these for me?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>T=
hanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>G=
ary Hodson </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p><=
/p></blockquote><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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