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Hear, hear!!
Kees Oudesluijs
Michael Salter schreef op 2-3-2015 om 0:12:
> Hi Josef,
> In your post you said/"Most parts are ordered from China. You get a
> sample, you order a batch of 100, 500 or 1000 pieces."
> /
> I really believe that the fault lies largely with the company ordering
> the parts.
> If a sample is supplied it behooves the purchaser to thoroughly
> inspect and test the sample. The BJ8 water pumps are a classic
> example. Anyone with just a little experience in the rebuilding of
> water pumps could easily have disassembled such a sample and
> determined that the internal parts were not the same as the original
> pump and were just not up to the job.
> As an individual I have managed to source the original seal and
> bearing from reputable suppliers.
> Using those parts it would have been a lot easier to have the castings
> made to the original specifications and an exact replica pump then
> produced.
> The pumps that BMC produced were developed over many years and to
> casually discard all that experience and think that one can easily
> design an externally similar pump using adapted modern parts that will
> be reliable, without extensive testing, is total folly.
> On another note Bob is absolutely correct in that owners will opt for
> reproduction parts over restored originals every time in the mistaken
> belief that "new is better". Unfortunately the "disposable society"
> has conditioned the most people to believe that new is always better!!
> From hard learned experience I will ALWAYS opt for a good restorable
> original component over a new replacement every time even if it costs
> a lot more.
> Flame away!!!
>
> Michael S
> BN1 #174
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:11 AM, josef-eckert@t-online.de
>
> Sorry, but this is very naive thinking. I am working part time for
> a big parts supplier here in Europe.
> Most parts are ordered from China. You get a sample, you order a
> batch of 100, 500 or 1000 pieces. Perhaps you get 5% customer
> complains, which is normal, when the batch is slightly faulty you
> may get 10% customer complains. When its more you will have to
> think about the issue. When there are no complains, parts are not
> sent back, all is fine, even parts are faulty and customers fix on
> their oown. Often thee are no complains, even the part is faulty,
> but its cheaper than the similar part from the competitor.
> To put in a quality control in the system would raise the net
> purchase price to a double or tripple. Customers move to the
> competitor, as you can`t sell it to the prize your competitor
> does. You may not believe the low purchase prize of these parts
> from China, but you need to buy batches of at least 100 parts. So
> when they are faulty you need to sell most of them before you look
> for a different supplier. You can`t send these parts back, as
> delivery costs are higher than the parts value and Chinese
> suppliers are not very customer friendly.
>
> Josef Eckert
> Konigswinter/Germany
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] water pumps and other repro parts
> Datum: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 15:37:05 +0100
> An: "'Magnus Karlsson'" <magnuskarlsson@bornet.net
>
> I agree that such a listing would be a very valuable tool both for
> the owner
> and the restorer to implicitly apply pressure to the industry. This
> potentially will be seen by some in the industry as an opportunity to
> justify higher pricing to eliminate the poor quality problems. The
> list
> should be written in the positive as this will reduce the
> potential for any
> legal actions as the list only contains those who have provided
> the proper
> part as close to original as technology improvements allow. This
> list would
> need to be "live" as there are suppliers who will genuinely not
> know that
> their suppliers/manufacturers have not met the "standard of
> acceptance" but
> who would respond properly to being notified of the problem.
>
> John R Davidson, BN2, AN5
> H (204) 895-4523 <tel:%28204%29%20895-4523>, C (204) 295-9207
> <tel:%28204%29%20295-9207>
>
>
>
>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hear, hear!!<br>
<br>
Kees Oudesluijs<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Michael Salter schreef op 2-3-2015 om 0:12:<br>
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cite="mid:CAB3i7L+tr4tUHyYAJLnCNVQSbcsNuYNB1icEbYP+qG7KY4P9bg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div class="gmail_default">Hi Josef,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">In your post you said<i> "Most parts
are ordered from China. You get a sample, you order a batch
of 100, 500 or 1000 pieces."<br>
</i></div>
<div class="gmail_default">I really believe that the fault lies
largely with the company ordering the parts. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">If a sample is supplied it behooves
the purchaser to thoroughly inspect and test the sample. The
BJ8 water pumps are a classic example. Anyone with just a
little experience in the rebuilding of water pumps could
easily have disassembled such a sample and determined that the
internal parts were not the same as the original pump and were
just not up to the job. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">As an individual I have managed to
source the original seal and bearing from reputable suppliers.
<br>
Using those parts it would have been a lot easier to have the
castings made to the original specifications and an exact
replica pump then produced. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">The pumps that BMC produced were
developed over many years and to casually discard all that
experience and think that one can easily design an externally
similar pump using adapted modern parts that will be reliable,
without extensive testing, is total folly. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">On another note Bob is absolutely
correct in that owners will opt for reproduction parts over
restored originals every time in the mistaken belief that "new
is better". Unfortunately the "disposable society" has
conditioned the most people to believe that new is always
better!!<br>
From hard learned experience I will ALWAYS opt for a good
restorable original component over a new replacement every
time even if it costs a lot more. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Flame away!!!<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Michael S<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">BN1 #174<br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:11 AM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";>josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de";
target="_blank">josef-eckert@t-online.de</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote">Sorry, but this is very naive
thinking. I am working part time for a big parts supplier
here in Europe.<br>
Most parts are ordered from China. You get a sample, you
order a batch of 100, 500 or 1000 pieces. Perhaps you get 5%
customer complains, which is normal, when the batch is
slightly faulty you may get 10% customer complains. When its
more you will have to think about the issue. When there are
no complains, parts are not sent back, all is fine, even
parts are faulty and customers fix on their oown. Often thee
are no complains, even the part is faulty, but its cheaper
than the similar part from the competitor.<br>
To put in a quality control in the system would raise the
net purchase price to a double or tripple. Customers move to
the competitor, as you can`t sell it to the prize your
competitor does. You may not believe the low purchase prize
of these parts from China, but you need to buy batches of at
least 100 parts. So when they are faulty you need to sell
most of them before you look for a different supplier. You
can`t send these parts back, as delivery costs are higher
than the parts value and Chinese suppliers are not very
customer friendly.<br>
<br>
Josef Eckert<br>
Konigswinter/Germany<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original-Nachricht-----<br>
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] water pumps and other repro parts<br>
Datum: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 15:37:05 +0100<br>
Von: "John Davidson" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jdavidso@shaw.ca";>jdavidso@shaw.ca</a>><br>
An: "'Magnus Karlsson'" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:magnuskarlsson@bornet.net";>magnuskarlsson@bornet.net</a>>,
"'Andy'" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sneddon@xsmail.com";>sneddon@xsmail.com</a>><br>
<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
I agree that such a listing would be a very valuable tool
both for the owner<br>
and the restorer to implicitly apply pressure to the
industry. This<br>
potentially will be seen by some in the industry as an
opportunity to<br>
justify higher pricing to eliminate the poor quality
problems. The list<br>
should be written in the positive as this will reduce the
potential for any<br>
legal actions as the list only contains those who have
provided the proper<br>
part as close to original as technology improvements
allow. This list would<br>
need to be "live" as there are suppliers who will
genuinely not know that<br>
their suppliers/manufacturers have not met the "standard
of acceptance" but<br>
who would respond properly to being notified of the
problem.<br>
<br>
John R Davidson, BN2, AN5<br>
H <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28204%29%20895-4523" value="+12048954523">(204)
895-4523</a>, C <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28204%29%20295-9207" value="+12042959207">(204)
295-9207</a><br>
<br>
<br>
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