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Bob and Charly,
=20
Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage =
with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks. Not =
a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks. So, with =
your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit with adjustable =
lever shocks for the rear.
=20
Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron =
which is also helpful. =20
=20
Hope to see you at VIR in March/April. Will not be driving, but will be =
up to watch.
=20
Thanks you,
=20
Mark
=20
From: Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
To: fot@autox.team.net; Mark Cook
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
=20
Hi,
=20
Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas =
leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can =
foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or =
plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.
=20
For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie =
your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a =
lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk =
frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, =
but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the =
shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over =
time.
=20
So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get =
nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as =
adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work =
without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and =
bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the =
Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little =
tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes =
the car handle completely differently.
=20
Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. =
You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.
=20
Regards,
Bob Lang
=20
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=20
=20
=20
Quick question (maybe?). I am replacing the existing Koni front =
adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784). Bushings are worn out as likely are the =
shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6 =
racecar. I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS. =20
=20
Any preference? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external =
adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s =
every time I need to adjust the suspension.
=20
Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be =
replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings. Have purchased =
Nylatron bushings. Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.
=20
Thanks,
=20
Mark Cook
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob and Charly,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage =
with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.=C2=A0 =
Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.=C2=A0 =
So, with your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit with =
adjustable lever shocks for the rear.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron =
which is also helpful.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.=C2=A0 Will not be driving, but =
will be up to watch.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks you,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, =
January 31, 2024 1:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> fot@autox.team.net; Mark =
Cook<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 =
racecar<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Hi,<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Go with =
the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks =
out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they =
can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a =
session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or =
minus.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>For the =
rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your =
shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot =
of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk =
frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, =
but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the =
shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>So - get =
a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com =
(worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and =
you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing =
up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the =
suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong =
adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, =
you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car =
handle completely differently.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Delrin =
is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You =
can verify by looking at the durometer =
ratings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Regards,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Bob =
Lang<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp518536d1yahoo_quoted_6902120541"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via =
Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143><div><div><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Quick question (maybe?). I am replacing the existing =
Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784). Bushings are worn out =
as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on =
my =E2=80=9969 TR6 racecar. I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni =
and MCS. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Any preference? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the =
external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the =
Koni=E2=80=99s every time I need to adjust the =
suspension.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be =
replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings. Have purchased =
Nylatron bushings. Cannot find Delrin products for =
TR6.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Mark Cook<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p =
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