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Terry SVRA has pissed off more than a few vintage racers over the years.Wh=
at started out as a fairly small group down here in Florida, the Southeast =
Vintage Racers Association, has evolved over the decades, gone through mult=
iple owners & management, & now they're just like any other business trying=
to stay afloat & make $$.Also, like many other groups, they're accommodati=
ng more modern cars nowadays, which usually means more classes/groups/confu=
sion, & less track time.Some folks like that festival atmosphere, but it se=
ems like most here are more back-to-basics club-racers .
Glen Efinger
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 01:38:21 PM EDT, Terry Sopher via Fot <fo=
t@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my expe=
rience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s=E2=80=A6
On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
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Great debate.=C2=A0 I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a=
mix of venues.=C2=A0 Road America was certainly a destination track for me=
(2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list to=
o.=C2=A0 But the track time was extremely limited.=C2=A0 I think the KC rac=
e was only seven laps. =C2=A0 For 2023, my personal preference would ha=
ve been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.=C2=A0=
But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/=
Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passe=
s.=C2=A0 SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April,=
plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.=C2=A0 Note, we can not=
get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big. =
=C2=A0 I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma a=
nd report out as soon as possible.=C2=A0 I can tell you that if you can mak=
e the tow, you will not be disappointed.=C2=A0 Sonoma and Laguna Seca shoul=
d be on your bucket list.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If we have enough folks attendi=
ng both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the =
wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.=C2=A0 The tracks are only abo=
ut two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers runnin=
g both events.=C2=A0 If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open test=
ing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimi=
ted track time! =C2=A0 Curt Johnston curt.johnston@comcast.net 707-=
249-1667 =20
On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry f=
or the repeat. =C2=A0 We are not really looking for suggestions on spec=
ific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph=
racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events =
or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian=
! =C2=A0 Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific =
(bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I wo=
uld love to get back to Road Atlanta. =C2=A0 =20
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote: This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of ev=
ent we=20
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options=20
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.=20
=20
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many=20
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of=20
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check=20
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our=20
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the=20
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are=20
as follows:=20
=20
Festival Events=20
=20
Typically higher entrance fees.=20
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a=20
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility=20
of incidents, shortening sessions.=20
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility=20
with the packed schedule.=20
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from=20
a wide variety of media.=20
=20
~=20
=20
Club Events=20
=20
Typically lower entrance fees.=20
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run=20
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't=20
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted=20
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.=20
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good=20
exposure from the normal sources.=20
=20
~=20
=20
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=20
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated=20
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is=20
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer=20
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the=20
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and=20
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.=20
=20
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer=20
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?=20
=20
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run=20
at? That would be helpful information as well!=20
=20
Cheers=20
=20
Henry Frye=20
=20
=20
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:=20
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very=20
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran=20
> at Road Atlanta.=20
>=20
> Ronnie=20
>=20
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?=20
>>=20
>> Chuck=20
>>=20
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=20
>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=20
>>>=20
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta du=
ring the Mitty. _______________________________________________=20
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Terry SVRA has pissed off mo=
re than a few vintage racers over the years.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
dir=3D"false">What started out as a fairly small group down here in Florida=
, the Southeast Vintage Racers Association, has evolved over the decades, g=
one through multiple owners & management, & now they're just like a=
ny other business trying to stay afloat & make $$.</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">Also, like many other groups, they're accommodating=
more modern cars nowadays<span>, which usually means more classes/groups/c=
onfusion, & less track time.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><span>Some folks like that festival atmosphere, but it seems lik=
e most here are more back-to-basics club-racers <img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D=
"Emoji" class=3D"yahoo-emoji-wrapper" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_a=
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On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 01:38:21 PM EDT, Terry So=
pher via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them a=
t Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about=
chasing $s=E2=80=A6</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"ydp86891246yiv1722023=
957yqtfd04904" class=3D"ydp86891246yiv1722023957yqt2693116798"><br clear=3D=
"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston v=
ia Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e"></blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"ydp86891246yiv1722023957yqtfd65577" =
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rif;color:#333333;">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">Great debate. =
; I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.&nbs=
p; Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from =
the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too. But the tr=
ack time was extremely limited. I think the KC race was only seven la=
ps.</span>
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or:#333333;" class=3D"ydp86891246yiv1722023957default-style">
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or:#333333;" class=3D"ydp86891246yiv1722023957default-style">
<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">For 2023, my perso=
nal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club a=
t Sonoma Raceway. But their races are being held in the spring and fa=
ll (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows o=
ver the mountains passes. SVRA had the later date we needed being the=
last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.=
Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the eve=
nt is just too big.</span>
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or:#333333;" class=3D"ydp86891246yiv1722023957default-style">
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<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I'll work with SVR=
A to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as po=
ssible. I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be =
disappointed. Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.&n=
bsp; </span>
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folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activ=
ities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays. The tracks=
are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for =
racers running both events. If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held=
an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven ho=
urs of unlimited track time!</span>
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n>
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I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.
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We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are tr=
ying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer t=
o run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club =
events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
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Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketli=
st?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love =
to get back to Road Atlanta.
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On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <<a shap=
e=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b=
lank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event=
we=20
<br clear=3D"none">racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. Th=
e two main options=20
<br clear=3D"none">are the smaller club events, or the big festival ev=
ents.
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I ca=
n say there are many=20
<br clear=3D"none">aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless=
of the type of=20
<br clear=3D"none">event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers an=
d old friends, check=20
<br clear=3D"none">out cars we don't typically run with, and get some =
insight on how our=20
<br clear=3D"none">cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuf=
f that makes up the=20
<br clear=3D"none">fun. However, the differences I see between the two=
types of events are=20
<br clear=3D"none">as follows:
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">Festival Events
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">Typically higher entrance fees.
<br clear=3D"none">Less track time because the sanctioning body loads =
the schedule with a=20
<br clear=3D"none">wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the hi=
gher the possibility=20
<br clear=3D"none">of incidents, shortening sessions.
<br clear=3D"none">Organizers have less negotiating power as there is =
little flexibility=20
<br clear=3D"none">with the packed schedule.
<br clear=3D"none">Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage ra=
cing in general from=20
<br clear=3D"none">a wide variety of media.
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">~
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">Club Events
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">Typically lower entrance fees.
<br clear=3D"none">More track time, more flexibility in negotiating pe=
rks like our own run=20
<br clear=3D"none">group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Cl=
ub events don't=20
<br clear=3D"none">usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR=
racers being piloted=20
<br clear=3D"none">by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
<br clear=3D"none">Limited media exposure compared to a major festival=
event, but good=20
<br clear=3D"none">exposure from the normal sources.
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">~
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, t=
rack time is the=20
<br clear=3D"none">biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value=
, the anticipated=20
<br clear=3D"none">track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in fron=
t of 10,000 people is=20
<br clear=3D"none">all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Ma=
ny of my racer=20
<br clear=3D"none">friends share this general opinion with me, but we =
can't ignore the=20
<br clear=3D"none">success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbe=
rs in general, and=20
<br clear=3D"none">very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">Can we get an idea of what type of events active ra=
cers would prefer=20
<br clear=3D"none">future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival even=
ts or Club events?
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">While we are at it, is there any track somebody has=
a hankering to run=20
<br clear=3D"none">at? That would be helpful information as well!
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">Cheers
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">Henry Frye
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
<br clear=3D"none">> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the =
Mitty is attended very
<br clear=3D"none">> well. The track has had many improvements sinc=
e the KCup was last ran
<br clear=3D"none">> at Road Atlanta.
<br clear=3D"none">>=20
<br clear=3D"none">> Ronnie
<br clear=3D"none">>=20
<br clear=3D"none">>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a shape=3D"=
rect" href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
">chasgee22@gmail.com</a> wrote:
<br clear=3D"none">>>=20
<br clear=3D"none">>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
<br clear=3D"none">>>=20
<br clear=3D"none">>> Chuck
<br clear=3D"none">>>=20
<br clear=3D"none">>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Ba=
bbitt via Fot=20
<br clear=3D"none">>>> <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a=
>> wrote:
<br clear=3D"none">>>>=20
<br clear=3D"none">>>> Is there any consideration to bringing=
the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
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