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Great debate. I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix o=
f venues. Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 mil=
es from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too. But the=
track time was extremely limited. I think the KC race was only seven laps=
.
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For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG=
, the local club at Sonoma Raceway. But their races are being held in the =
spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those =
making tows over the mountains passes. SVRA had the later date we needed b=
eing the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next =
weekend. Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the =
event is just too big.
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I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report=
out as soon as possible. I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you=
will not be disappointed. Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket=
list.=20
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If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organiz=
e some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays=
. The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer=
storage for racers running both events. If that's not enough, Sonoma Race=
way held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....=
seven hours of unlimited track time!
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Curt Johnston
curt.johnston@comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston@comcast.net
707-249-1667
> On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.
> =20
> We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are tryi=
ng to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to =
run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club ev=
ents. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
> =20
> Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist=
?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to=
get back to Road Atlanta.
> =20
>=20
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team=
.net mailto:fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>=20
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>=20
> Festival Events
>=20
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>=20
> ~
>=20
> Club Events
>=20
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>=20
> ~
>=20
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>=20
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>=20
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>=20
> Cheers
>=20
> Henry Frye
>=20
>=20
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com mailto:chasgee22@gma=
il.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot@autox.team.net mailto:fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta =
during the Mitty.
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bsp; I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.&=
nbsp; Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles fr=
om the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too. But the=
track time was extremely limited. I think the KC race was only seven=
laps.</span>
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<span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">For 2023, my pe=
rsonal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local clu=
b at Sonoma Raceway. But their races are being held in the spring and=
fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tow=
s over the mountains passes. SVRA had the later date we needed being =
the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weeke=
nd. Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the =
event is just too big.</span>
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<span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I'll work with =
SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as=
possible. I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not =
be disappointed. Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list=
. </span>
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<span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">If we have enou=
gh folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group ac=
tivities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays. The tra=
cks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage f=
or racers running both events. If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway h=
eld an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven=
hours of unlimited track time!</span>
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We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are tr=
ying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer t=
o run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club =
events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
</div>=20
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Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketli=
st?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love =
to get back to Road Atlanta.
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=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
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<br>are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
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many=20
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check=20
<br>out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how =
our=20
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the=20
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<br>Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibil=
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<br>Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general=
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ed=20
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ple is=20
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=20
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e=20
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and=20
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ts?
<br>
<br>While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to=
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<br>at? That would be helpful information as well!
<br>
<br>Cheers
<br>
<br>Henry Frye
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<br>On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
<br>> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attend=
ed very
<br>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was =
last ran
<br>> at Road Atlanta.
<br>>=20
<br>> Ronnie
<br>>=20
<br>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:chasgee22=
@gmail.com">chasgee22@gmail.com</a> wrote:
<br>>>=20
<br>>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
<br>>>=20
<br>>> Chuck
<br>>>=20
<br>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=
=20
<br>>>> <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.t=
eam.net</a>> wrote:
<br>>>>=20
<br>>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back =
to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
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