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As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in=
, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or n=
ot to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans =
four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been=
exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. S=
VRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety=
for it's members and competitors.
With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for m=
ost of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence =
over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activi=
ty of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a=
passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether =
to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potential=
ly make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to eng=
age in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe the=
re is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assu=
re personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself=
, is the risk worth the reward for me?
I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for t=
he past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on m=
y bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to s=
uspend further participation until the current health situation has some po=
sitive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen "Life is racing, the rest is just wa=
iting." For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere =
of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presse=
s the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has =
been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised. Z=
eal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, "you catch mo=
re bee's with honey than vinegar" After all, this post is called "Friends =
of Triumph".
----------------------------------------
From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away. =
Good luck.
Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance. I wear a mask when reque=
sted by the business. I don't go over and hug folk. I don't visit retireme=
nt homes. if I did, I'd wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as requi=
red.
I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shor=
tly after my dad's death. The doctors said this particular bug likely came=
from his garden. In the years since, did I stop gardening? Did I lay awa=
ke at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with=
family and friends? Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a da=
y of skiing. You never know what's going to take us.
A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he trie=
d to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold. Age 57.
Really, look at the numbers. We can't live in a bubble.
Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covi=
d-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after. So far, none =
have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen. May=
be it will be the guy in my mirror.
This is not the pandemic where it's so bad every family will be touched an=
d it's ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up. It's not playing =
russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to no=
t even admit your "Russian Roulette with an automatic." was way off base.
And by the way, "While you are getting through Covid with no problems"... =
you mean like how I'm unemployed with no prospects because what was suppose=
d to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services pre=
pared, so there'd be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well b=
eyond the need?
Your scare mongering is going "to be a real bitch when someone we personal=
ly love" faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators,=
etc. because of the lockdown. How's it feel to have people's deaths laid=
on you like that? I wouldn't have gone there.
I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree. I only =
posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members h=
ave a balance.
Never be beaten by a virus!
-Justin
On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you. While you are getting t=
hrough Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % t=
hat doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about. That herd imm=
unity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personall=
y love will be dead. Ken
Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
I'm sorry Ken, IMHO, you're way off base.
"....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider them=
selves 'low risk'. This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an aut=
omatic...."
That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but tho=
se models were wrong and have been discredited.
Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves "low risk" and no, it's =
not like playing Russian Roulette at all. And it's certainly not like play=
ing it with an automatic.
If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they s=
hould play it safe. And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the r=
isks and watch out for themselves. The rest need to get on with their live=
s.
The flu didn't stop vintage racing.
"If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then...."
That "current rate" is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in =
reality. The curve doesn't just happen in a day when we cross a threshold,=
it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.
And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces t=
heir fall and numbers are rising there. We're heading into our Summer!
Let's all take a reality pill here.
You said, "We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisio=
ns. I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact=
, not what we would like to have happen. "
Yes. So enough with the "russian roulette with an automatic" analogies. =
That's gross hyperbole, not science.
It's a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the var=
ious threats that face us every day.
What's the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed? What's the =
stats of sports fans being hit by lightening? What's the stats on dying fr=
om pneumonia? Car accidents? Going to an ATM late at night?
Yet we all get on with our lives.
-Justin
On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic. It =
appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick. What if you are=
one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a d=
eath rate 5.9%. Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselve=
s 'low risk'. This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automati=
c.
It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a va=
ccine in 18-24 months or achieve "Herd Immunity" which requires some 60-70%=
of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop ant=
ibodies against the virus.
The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Amer=
icans to have had the virus.
If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some =B111,000,000 people wo=
uld perish in getting to Herd Immunity. Even if better treatments and the =
demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see=
some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly. You can cross y=
our fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the ind=
ications are quite the opposite. We opened the country in mid May to varyi=
ng degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and d=
eath rates are likely to significantly rise in June. It takes a couple of =
weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions. I thin=
k this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what =
we would like to have happen. I have a couple of good doctor friends, unt=
il they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their h=
ospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to. I wish all =
the very best of luck.
Ken
_______________________________________________
fot@autox.team.net
http://www.fot-racing.com
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica;">As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal even=
ts participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the iss=
ue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing =
involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences =
with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be =
in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to prov=
ide maximum safety for it’s members and competitors.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica;">With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing=
proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to =
exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not a=
n essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other t=
han to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica;">Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own de=
cision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something th=
at could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I =
do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I =
do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordina=
ry actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I =
have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica;">I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Ka=
stner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-=
Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made=
the decision to suspend further participation until the current health sit=
uation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen “Life i=
s racing, the rest is just waiting.” For myself, it is time to wait. =
I hope the wait is not too long.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica; min-height: 14px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica;">Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to=
be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that=
before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully=
re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility migh=
t be exercised. Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As gran=
dma said, “you catch more bee’s with honey than vinegar”&=
nbsp; After all, this post is called “Friends of Triumph”.</p>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<hr align=3D"center" size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" />
<div><span style=3D"font-family: tahoma,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"=
><b>From</b>: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br =
/>
<b>Sent</b>: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM<br />
<b>To</b>: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br />
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race</span>
<div> </div>
<div>Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go awa=
y. Good luck.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sent from my Verizon Smartphone</div>
<div class=3D"elided-text">On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fo=
t@autox.team.net> wrote:
<blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance. I w=
ear a mask when requested by the business. I don’t go over and =
hug folk. I don’t visit retirement homes. if I did, I’d w=
ash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many=
years ago, shortly after my dad’s death. The doctors said this=
particular bug likely came from his garden. In the years since, did =
I stop gardening? Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I migh=
t pick up in my garden and share with family and friends? Dad, on the=
other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing. You never know=
what’s going to take us.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last=
year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold. A=
ge 57.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Really, look at the numbers. We can’t live in=
a bubble.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, =
long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after=
. So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but =
It could happen. Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">This is not the pandemic where it’s so bad every fam=
ily will be touched and it’s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for=
pick up. It’s not playing russian roulette to try to get back =
to some semblance of normalcy.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus t=
o lead you to not even admit your “Russian Roulette with an automatic=
.” was way off base.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">And by the way, “<span style=3D"background-color:rgb=
a( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">While you are getting through Covid with no probl=
ems”... you mean like how I’m unemployed with no prospects beca=
use what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and em=
ergency services prepared, so there’d be enough beds, masks, and vent=
ilators has gone on well beyond the need? </span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 =
)">Your scare mongering is going “to be a real bitch when someone we =
personally love” faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized=
by predators, etc. because of the lockdown. How’s it fee=
l to have people’s deaths laid on you like that? I wouldn&rsquo=
;t have gone there.</span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 =
)">I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree. =
I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT me=
mbers have a balance. </span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Never be beaten by a virus!</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">—Justin</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br />
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you. While you are ge=
tting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the=
35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about. T=
hat herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone =
we personally love will be dead. Ken</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sent from my Verizon Smartphone</div>
<div class=3D"elided-text">On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <<a=
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I’m sorry Ken, IMHO, you’re way off base.</div=
>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<p><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">“....=
Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselve=
s ‘low risk’. This virus is like playing Russian Roulette=
with an automatic....”</span></p>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were des=
cribing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves “l=
ow risk” and no, it’s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.=
And it’s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.</div=
>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issu=
es, sure, they should play it safe. And anyone with an underlying iss=
ue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves. The rest need=
to get on with their lives. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The flu didn’t stop vintage racing.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<p><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">“If p=
eople die at the current rate of 5.9% then....” </span></=
p>
<p>That “current rate” is not sustainable so your supposition i=
s not based in reality. The curve doesn’t just happen in a day =
when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity. &nb=
sp;</p>
<p>And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere face=
s their fall and numbers are rising there. We’re heading into o=
ur Summer!</p>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><img alt=3D"image1.png" src=3D"cid:38DF62C2-D777-4282-8709=
-7B20A39F430C" /></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 =
)">Let’s all take a reality pill here. </span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><img alt=3D"image1.png" src=3D"cid:BCAB3BAC-3041-44FE-8AF7=
-DE7026256D7A" /></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<p> </p>
<p><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">You said,&n=
bsp;</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">&ld=
quo;We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.&nbs=
p; </span><span style=3D"background-color:rgba( 255 , 255 , 255 , 0 )">I th=
ink this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not wha=
t we would like to have happen. “</span></p>
<p>Yes. So enough with the “russian roulette with an automatic&=
rdquo; analogies. That’s gross hyperbole, not science.</p>
<p>It’s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have wit=
h the various threats that face us every day.</p>
<p>What’s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed? &nbs=
p; What’s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening? Wha=
t’s the stats on dying from pneumonia? Car accidents? Goi=
ng to an ATM late at night?</p>
<p>Yet we all get on with our lives.</p>
<p>—Justin</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br />
On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br />
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr"> </div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div>
<p>The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.&n=
bsp; It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick. Wh=
at if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your famil=
y?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or =
a death rate 5.9%. Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themse=
lves ‘low risk’. This virus is like playing Russian Roule=
tte with an automatic.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a=
vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve “Herd Immunity” which requi=
res some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order=
to develop antibodies against the virus.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 A=
mericans to have had the virus.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ±11,000,000 p=
eople would perish in getting to Herd Immunity. Even if better treatm=
ents and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%,=
we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly. You can=
cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all=
the indications are quite the opposite. We opened the country in mid=
May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate =
numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June. It =
takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale=
hospitals.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions. =
; I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, n=
ot what we would like to have happen. I have a couple of good d=
octor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are=
seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I wan=
t to. I wish all the very best of luck.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Ken</p>
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