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Thank you Barry!
Ken, what have you developed for this?
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 24, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Barry Munson <barry@penybryn.ca> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi Phil =E2=80=93 There is a better solution to the stock tensioner. It wa=
s developed by Ken Knight for the wet liner engine and is hydraulic similar t=
o the system used on Datsun 4cyl and Z engines. His is a piece of art.
> =20
> Barry.
> - Stuck up here in northern Alberta with everything shut down. Even t=
he first half of our racing season has been cancelled.
> - Keep safe everyone.
> - It is really encouraging to see FOT waking up, I was really startin=
g to miss it.
> =20
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vfracing--- via=
Fot
> Sent: March 24, 2020 6:32 AM
> To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Doug Still Guides Me...
> =20
> Hi Marcel;
> =20
> Line boring should not materially affect the chain itself, as the crank ce=
nterline is raised usually less than .005". Might affect cam timing a bit, b=
ut in the worst case scenario that can be fixed with a Vernier sprocket.
> =20
> However, I agree with your assessment of the tensioner. Would like to kno=
w if there is a better solution.
> =20
> Phil
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
> To: Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com>
> Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 24, 2020 8:26 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Doug Still Guides Me...
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> What about the chain? Is there noticeably more slach of it?
> The chain tensioners do almost nothing . Sometimes there are deep grooves i=
n a short time, sometimes there is almost no scoring. Probably this is becau=
se of the chain running smoothly or with severe oscillations. Oscillations o=
f the chain will have an influence on the ignition timing too.
> Has anyone tried an alternative solution for the tensioner to keep the cha=
in quiet?
> Marcel
> =20
> Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> Aan: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer56@gmail.com>
> Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Dinsdag 24 maart 2020 12:47:41
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Doug Still Guides Me...
> =20
> Yes, Bob, as far as I know you are correct, the bearing notches in the cap=
s and saddles are always on the same side.=20
> In the TR wet sleeve engine, each cap is unique as to its position, so it s=
hould be really hard to mix them up.
> Kas is right, however, in that in many engines it is good practice to mark=
each cap as to position and orientation, just to be sure.
> I have had a wet sleeve block line bored just to true it up at ABT machine=
in Holliston, Mass. This creates two issues that must be addressed, both du=
e to the slight raising of the crank center line:
> 1) the clearance space of the top of the pistons needs to be checked to be=
sure there is no interference at TDC. Usually not a problem.
> 2) more of a problem is that the aluminum insert for the rear main seal ma=
y interfere with the block. This will become apparent when using the centeri=
ng tool, and can be addressed by filing down the area of the seal where it i=
nterferes. Do not file or alter any other surface, as this will compromise t=
he ability of the seal to function and/or to hold correctly one of the after=
market rubber seals. Be careful also not to gouge the face of the aluminum s=
eal where it mates with the flat surface of the block. Go slow and be carefu=
l. It should all work as intended.
> Phil Gott
> =20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
> =20
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>=20
> Don=E2=80=99t all the main bearing caps go in with bearing notches on the s=
ame side as the notches in the saddles in the block? Or is that just a TR4 t=
hing?
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
> =20
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
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> firstly, are you 100% sure the caps are correctly fitted both round the ri=
ght way and in number order?
> you need to decide if the caps are misaligned across the block or if the t=
unnel is simply oval because the hole in in cap is too far up or down. this w=
ill need a combination of feel and measurement
>=20
> if the alternative caps have a significant step to 1 side, so you will cle=
arly feel a ledge at the mating faces when they are tightened up
> =20
> if the stap is very minor, like a few thousandths of an inch, then the fac=
es of the cap are machined down to create an oval hole, then it it is align h=
oned
> =20
> if it is really bad, like many tens of thou, then you have to firstly move=
the cap sideways by machining the register on 1 side and peening it on the o=
ther, and effectively moving it sideways, followed by boring/honing
> =20
> sometimes, the bolts are too neat a fit to allow this and if thats the cas=
e, its usually easier to find some other caps or make them
> =20
> if the tunnel is simply an oval because the cap is too far up or down, thi=
s is usually easily fixed by facing the cap mating surfaces and reboring the=
tunnels
> =20
> not all engine machine shop have a line borer...mine did not, so subcontra=
cting the job is not uncommon
> =20
> the end result should be a perfectly round hole with a super fine hone (cr=
oss-hatch) mark on the bearing faces, to ensure perfect bearing shell contac=
t
> =20
> Terry
> Australia
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:32 AM Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
> Speaking of main caps I bought a block that turned out to not have the ori=
ginal main caps. The caps on there did not match up with the block but I=E2=80=
=99ve been unable to find a machine shop that can machine them so there=E2=80=
=99s a round hole for the crank. The shop I had do my last block (and they d=
o 427 race engines among others and are well respected) told me that the res=
ult would be ovaled out holes (not round) which obviously is not good.
> Certainly there=E2=80=99s a way to make this work but I haven=E2=80=99t fo=
und it. I checked out another block shop but said they subcontract line-bori=
ng to the the shop that said they couldn=E2=80=99t do it.=20
> =20
> Has anyone else encountered this problem? I=E2=80=99ve heard that steel ma=
ins might be an answer but they=E2=80=99d still have to be line-bored to mak=
e them match. I hate to ship a block to get this done before I have reassura=
nces that they can make it work but does anyone know of that has successfull=
y made main caps match the block? Given I=E2=80=99m spending a lot of time t=
hese days staying home and catching up on car projects in the shop I figured=
it would be a good time to start building the next engine.
> =20
> Solutions or recommendations?
> =20
> Thanks
> Bud
>=20
> =20
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
> =20
> Amici,
> In typically rookie race engine builder mode with the block I selected for=
rebuild, I pulled the main bearing caps (with my new fancy DeWalt 20V Impac=
t Wrench) and then couldn't remember which way around they went.=20
> =20
> This led to visions of catastrophic failure somewhere down the road. Yet, I=
had several other blocks I could flip over and make a determination if need=
be.
> =20
> I was examining one of the caps when I discovered the faintest engraving o=
n the surface of each cap:
>=20
> Eng #2 Front Fwd
> Eng #2 Mid Fwd
> Eng #2 Rr Fwd
> =20
> Doug Brown, my original owner/builder/driver extraordinaire had engraved e=
ach cap for me to make sure a mistake didn't occur. He rotated 3 engines dur=
ing each season in a quest for Divisional and National Championships.
> =20
> I guess that is the way a aeronautical/mechanical engineer and very succes=
sful racer thinks.
> =20
> Thanks again Doug!
> =20
> <IMG_8745.jpg>
> =20
> Cheers,
> =20
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> Brad Eells
> Chino CA
> #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3
> #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4
> 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
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color:#1F497D">Hi Phil =E2=80=93 There is a better solution to the stock ten=
sioner. It
was developed by Ken Knight for the wet liner engine and is hydraulic simila=
r
to the system used on Datsun 4cyl and Z engines. His is a piece of art.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">Barry.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Stuck up here in northern Alberta with everything shut down. E=
ven
the first half of our racing season has been cancelled.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level=
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style=3D"font-size:16.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Keep safe everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ly:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">It is really encouraging to see FOT waking up, I was really
starting to miss it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Fot
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>vfracing--- via Fot<=
br>
<b>Sent:</b> March 24, 2020 6:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be<br>
<b>Cc:</b> fot@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Doug Still Guides Me...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif";
color:black">Hi Marcel; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif";
color:black">Line boring should not materially affect the chain itself, as t=
he
crank centerline is raised usually less than .005". Might affect cam
timing a bit, but in the worst case scenario that can be fixed with a Vernie=
r
sprocket. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif";
color:black">However, I agree with your assessment of the tensioner.
Would like to know if there is a better solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Phil<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">-----O=
riginal Message-----<br>
From: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be><br>
To: Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com><br>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Tue, Mar 24, 2020 8:26 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Doug Still Guides Me...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div id=3D"yiv4152820997">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">What about the chain? Is there noticeably more slach of it?<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">The chain tensioners do almost nothing . Sometimes there are de=
ep
grooves in a short time, sometimes there is almost no scoring. Probably this=
is
because of the chain running smoothly or with severe oscillations. Oscillati=
ons
of the chain will have an influence on the ignition timing too.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Has anyone tried an alternative solution for the tensioner to k=
eep
the chain quiet?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Marcel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black">Van: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black">"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Aan: </b>"Bob Kramer" <rkramer56@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Verzonden: </b>Dinsdag 24 maart 2020 12:47:41<br>
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Doug Still Guides Me...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Yes, Bob, as far as I know you are correct, the bearing notches=
in
the caps and saddles are always on the same side. <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">In the TR wet sleeve engine, each cap is unique as to its
position, so it should be really hard to mix them up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Kas is right, however, in that in many engines it is good pract=
ice
to mark each cap as to position and orientation, just to be sure.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">I have had a wet sleeve block line bored just to true it up at A=
BT
machine in Holliston, Mass. This creates two issues that must be addressed,
both due to the slight raising of the crank center line:<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">1) the clearance space of the top of the pistons needs to be
checked to be sure there is no interference at TDC. Usually not a problem.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">2) more of a problem is that the aluminum insert for the rear m=
ain
seal may interfere with the block. This will become apparent when using the
centering tool, and can be addressed by filing down the area of the seal whe=
re
it interferes. Do not file or alter any other surface, as this will compromi=
se
the ability of the seal to function and/or to hold correctly one of the
aftermarket rubber seals. Be careful also not to gouge the face of the=
aluminum seal where it mates with the flat surface of the block. Go slow and=
be
careful. It should all work as intended.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Phil Gott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">On Mar 2=
3, 2020, at 10:36 PM,
Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Don=E2=80=
=99t all the main bearing caps
go in with bearing notches on the same side as the notches in the saddles in=
the block? Or is that just a TR4 thing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">On Mar 2=
3, 2020, at 6:59 PM,
Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">firstly, are you 100% sure the caps are correctly fitted both
round the right way and in number order?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">you need=
to decide if the caps
are misaligned across the block or if the tunnel is simply oval
because the hole in in cap is too far up or down. this will need a
combination of feel and measurement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">if the alternative caps have a significant step to 1 side,=
so
you will clearly feel a ledge at the mating faces when they are tightened up=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">if the stap is very minor, like a few thousandths of an in=
ch,
then the faces of the cap are machined down to create an oval hole, then it i=
t
is align honed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">if it is really bad, like many tens of thou, then you have to
firstly move the cap sideways by machining the register on 1 side and
peening it on the other, and effectively moving it sideways, followed b=
y
boring/honing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">sometimes, the bolts are too neat a fit to allow this and if th=
ats
the case, its usually easier to find some other caps or make them<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">if the tunnel is simply an oval because the cap is to=
o
far up or down, this is usually easily fixed by facing the cap mating surfac=
es
and reboring the tunnels<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">not all engine machine shop have a line borer...mine did not, s=
o
subcontracting the job is not uncommon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">the end result should be a perfectly round hole with a super fi=
ne
hone (cross-hatch) mark on the bearing faces, to ensure perfect bearing=
shell contact<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"> Terry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
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<div>
<div>
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<div>
<div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:32 AM Bud Rolofson via Fot <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>=
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm=
0cm 0cm 6.0pt;
margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Speaking of main caps I bought a block that turned out to not h=
ave
the original main caps. The caps on there did not match up with the block bu=
t
I=E2=80=99ve been unable to find a machine shop that can machine them so the=
re=E2=80=99s a
round hole for the crank. The shop I had do my last block (and they do 427 r=
ace
engines among others and are well respected) told me that the result would b=
e
ovaled out holes (not round) which obviously is not good. <o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Certainly there=E2=80=99s a way to make this work but I haven=E2=
=80=99t found it.
I checked out another block shop but said they subcontract line-boring to th=
e
the shop that said they couldn=E2=80=99t do it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Has anyone else encountered this problem? I=E2=80=99ve heard th=
at steel
mains might be an answer but they=E2=80=99d still have to be line-bored to m=
ake them
match. I hate to ship a block to get this done before I have reassurances th=
at
they can make it work but does anyone know of that has successfully made mai=
n
caps match the block? Given I=E2=80=99m spending a lot of time these days st=
aying home
and catching up on car projects in the shop I figured it would be a good tim=
e
to start building the next engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Solutions or recommendations?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Bud<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <<a href=3D"=
mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Amici,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">In typically rookie race engine builder mode with the block I
selected for rebuild, I pulled the main bearing caps (with my new fancy DeWa=
lt
20V Impact Wrench) and then couldn't remember which way around they went.&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">This led to visions of catastrophic failure somewhere down the
road. Yet, I had several other blocks I could flip over and make a
determination if need be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">I was examining one of the caps when I discovered the faintest
engraving on the surface of each cap:<br>
<br>
Eng #2 Front Fwd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Eng #2 Mid Fwd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Eng #2 Rr Fwd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Doug Brown, my original owner/builder/driver extraordinaire had=
engraved each cap for me to make sure a mistake didn't occur. He rotated 3
engines during each season in a quest for Divisional and National
Championships.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">I guess that is the way a aeronautical/mechanical engineer and
very successful racer thinks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Thanks again Doug!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><IMG_8745.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"V=
erdana","sans-serif";
color:black">Brad Eells</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family=
:
"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"V=
erdana","sans-serif";
color:black">Chino CA</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&=
quot;Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"V=
erdana","sans-serif";
color:black">#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:
9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"V=
erdana","sans-serif";
color:black">#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5p=
t;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"V=
erdana","sans-serif";
color:black">1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!</span></b><span style=3D"=
font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color=
:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"V=
erdana","sans-serif";
color:black;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm"><div><image001.jpg=
></div></span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";
color:black">Bud Rolofson<br>
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Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)<br>
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71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)<br>
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3<br>
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)<br>
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle <br>
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) <=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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a><br>
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<a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com/"; target=3D"_blank">http://www.fot-raci=
ng.com</a><br>
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/www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
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man/options/fot/enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au</a><br>
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Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<br>=
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56@gmail.com<br>
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dana","sans-serif";
color:black">_______________________________________________<br>
fot@autox.team.net<br>
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http://www.fot-racing.com<br>
<br>
Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<br>=
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<br>
Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<o:p=
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dana","sans-serif";
color:black"><br>
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