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Duncan
If he has one maybe we can talk him out of his line boring machine and set
it up with Dennis at Precision?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:12 AM Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.co=
m>
wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Do you know whether the outsourcing shop was the one in Elgin, TX? Keith
> Kubosh, the guy who bought that place, has all the old equipment that Mik=
e
> used, but I don=E2=80=99t know whether or not he=E2=80=99s learned to use=
the line-boring
> machine yet. His welding job takes up most of his time but when I was la=
st
> there a couple of years ago he was doing some engine work.
>
> Duncan
> On Mar 24, 2020, 7:51 AM -0500, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>,
> wrote:
>
> I did have a sound block that came without bearing caps and a supply of
> "almost fit" caps. Not wanting to waste a good block I spent the money to
> have it line bored. I've got a pretty talented machinist here in Austin
> and he trimmed down the caps before sending it out to get lined bored.
> Worked fine. Unfortunately the outsourced machine shop that he used for
> the line bore shut down a few years back.
>
> Bob Kramer
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:47 AM Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Bob, as far as I know you are correct, the bearing notches in the
>> caps and saddles are always on the same side.
>> In the TR wet sleeve engine, each cap is unique as to its position, so i=
t
>> should be really hard to mix them up.
>> Kas is right, however, in that in many engines it is good practice to
>> mark each cap as to position and orientation, just to be sure.
>> I have had a wet sleeve block line bored just to true it up at ABT
>> machine in Holliston, Mass. This creates two issues that must be address=
ed,
>> both due to the slight raising of the crank center line:
>> 1) the clearance space of the top of the pistons needs to be checked to
>> be sure there is no interference at TDC. Usually not a problem.
>> 2) more of a problem is that the aluminum insert for the rear main seal
>> may interfere with the block. This will become apparent when using the
>> centering tool, and can be addressed by filing down the area of the seal
>> where it interferes. Do not file or alter any other surface, as this wil=
l
>> compromise the ability of the seal to function and/or to hold correctly =
one
>> of the aftermarket rubber seals. Be careful also not to gouge the face =
of
>> the aluminum seal where it mates with the flat surface of the block. Go
>> slow and be careful. It should all work as intended.
>> Phil Gott
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BFDon=E2=80=99t all the main bearing caps go in with bearing notc=
hes on the same
>> side as the notches in the saddles in the block? Or is that just a TR4
>> thing?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <
>> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> firstly, are you 100% sure the caps are correctly fitted both round the
>> right way and in number order?
>>
>> you need to decide if the caps are misaligned across the block or if the
>> tunnel is simply oval because the hole in in cap is too far up or down.
>> this will need a combination of feel and measurement
>>
>> if the alternative caps have a significant step to 1 side, so you will
>> clearly feel a ledge at the mating faces when they are tightened up
>>
>> if the stap is very minor, like a few thousandths of an inch, then the
>> faces of the cap are machined down to create an oval hole, then it it is
>> align honed
>>
>> if it is really bad, like many tens of thou, then you have to firstly
>> move the cap sideways by machining the register on 1 side and peening it=
on
>> the other, and effectively moving it sideways, followed by boring/honing
>>
>> sometimes, the bolts are too neat a fit to allow this and if thats the
>> case, its usually easier to find some other caps or make them
>>
>> if the tunnel is simply an oval because the cap is too far up or down,
>> this is usually easily fixed by facing the cap mating surfaces and rebor=
ing
>> the tunnels
>>
>> not all engine machine shop have a line borer...mine did not, so
>> subcontracting the job is not uncommon
>>
>> the end result should be a perfectly round hole with a super fine hone
>> (cross-hatch) mark on the bearing faces, to ensure perfect bearing
>> shell contact
>>
>> Terry
>> Australia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:32 AM Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of main caps I bought a block that turned out to not have the
>>> original main caps. The caps on there did not match up with the block b=
ut
>>> I=E2=80=99ve been unable to find a machine shop that can machine them s=
o there=E2=80=99s a
>>> round hole for the crank. The shop I had do my last block (and they do =
427
>>> race engines among others and are well respected) told me that the resu=
lt
>>> would be ovaled out holes (not round) which obviously is not good.
>>> Certainly there=E2=80=99s a way to make this work but I haven=E2=80=99t=
found it. I
>>> checked out another block shop but said they subcontract line-boring to=
the
>>> the shop that said they couldn=E2=80=99t do it.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? I=E2=80=99ve heard that steel=
mains
>>> might be an answer but they=E2=80=99d still have to be line-bored to ma=
ke them
>>> match. I hate to ship a block to get this done before I have reassuranc=
es
>>> that they can make it work but does anyone know of that has successfull=
y
>>> made main caps match the block? Given I=E2=80=99m spending a lot of tim=
e these days
>>> staying home and catching up on car projects in the shop I figured it w=
ould
>>> be a good time to start building the next engine.
>>>
>>> Solutions or recommendations?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Bud
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Amici,
>>>
>>> In typically rookie race engine builder mode with the block I selected
>>> for rebuild, I pulled the main bearing caps (with my new fancy DeWalt 2=
0V
>>> Impact Wrench) and then couldn't remember which way around they went.
>>>
>>> This led to visions of catastrophic failure somewhere down the road.
>>> Yet, I had several other blocks I could flip over and make a determinat=
ion
>>> if need be.
>>>
>>> I was examining one of the caps when I discovered the faintest engravin=
g
>>> on the surface of each cap:
>>>
>>> Eng #2 Front Fwd
>>> Eng #2 Mid Fwd
>>> Eng #2 Rr Fwd
>>>
>>> Doug Brown, my original owner/builder/driver extraordinaire had engrave=
d
>>> each cap for me to make sure a mistake didn't occur. He rotated 3 engin=
es
>>> during each season in a quest for Divisional and National Championships=
.
>>>
>>> I guess that is the way a aeronautical/mechanical engineer and very
>>> successful racer thinks.
>>>
>>> Thanks again Doug!
>>>
>>> <IMG_8745.jpg>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> *Brad Eells*
>>> *Chino CA*
>>> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3*
>>> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4*
>>> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!*
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Duncan<br><div><br></div><div>If he has one maybe we can t=
alk him out of his line boring machine and set it up with Dennis at Precisi=
on?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:12 AM Duncan Charlton <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com">duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a>> wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir=3D"auto">Bob,=C2=A0
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Do you know whether the outsourcing shop was the one in E=
lgin, TX?=C2=A0 Keith Kubosh, the guy who bought that place, has all the ol=
d equipment that Mike used, but I don=E2=80=99t know whether or not he=E2=
=80=99s learned to use the line-boring machine yet.=C2=A0 His welding job t=
akes up most of his time but when I was last there a couple of years ago he=
was doing some engine work.</div>
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<div>Duncan</div>
</div>
<div name=3D"messageReplySection">On Mar 24, 2020, 7:51 AM -0500, Bob Krame=
r via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a>>, wrote:<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I did have a sound block that came without bearing caps an=
d a supply of "almost fit" caps. Not wanting to waste a good bloc=
k I spent the money to have it line bored.=C2=A0 I've got a pretty tale=
nted machinist here in Austin and he trimmed down the caps before sending i=
t out to get lined bored. Worked fine.=C2=A0 Unfortunately the outsourced m=
achine=C2=A0shop that he used for the line bore shut down a few years back.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div>
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</div>
<br></div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 6:47 AM Phil =
Gott <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">vfracing@aol=
.com</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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der-left:thin solid rgb(230,126,34)">
<div dir=3D"auto">Yes, Bob, as far as I know you are correct, the bearing n=
otches in the caps and saddles are always on the same side.=C2=A0
<div>In the TR wet sleeve engine, each cap is unique as to its position, so=
it should be really hard to mix them up.</div>
<div>Kas is right, however, in that in many engines it is good practice to =
mark each cap as to position and orientation, just to be sure.</div>
<div>I have had a wet sleeve block line bored just to true it up at ABT mac=
hine in Holliston, Mass. This creates two issues that must be addressed, bo=
th due to the slight raising of the crank center line:</div>
<div>1) the clearance space of the top of the pistons needs to be checked t=
o be sure there is no interference at TDC. Usually not a problem.</div>
<div>2) more of a problem is that the aluminum insert for the rear main sea=
l may interfere with the block. This will become apparent when using the ce=
ntering tool, and can be addressed by filing down the area of the seal wher=
e it interferes. Do not file or alter any other surface, as this will compr=
omise the ability of the seal to function and/or to hold correctly one of t=
he aftermarket rubber seals.=C2=A0 Be careful also not to gouge the face of=
the aluminum seal where it mates with the flat surface of the block. Go sl=
ow and be careful. It should all work as intended.</div>
<div>Phil Gott</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;border-left=
:thin solid rgb(52,152,219)">On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Bob Kramer via F=
ot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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:thin solid rgb(52,152,219)">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFDon=E2=80=99t all the main bearing caps go in wit=
h bearing notches on the same side as the notches in the saddles in the blo=
ck? Or is that just a TR4 thing?<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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:thin solid rgb(211,84,0)">On Mar 23, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Enquiries Road &=
; Track via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:5px;padding-left:10px;border-left=
:thin solid rgb(211,84,0)">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div dir=3D"ltr">firstly, are you 100% sure the caps are correctly fitted b=
oth round the right way and in number order?
<div><br></div>
<div>you need to decide if the caps are misaligned across the block or if t=
he tunnel is simply oval because=C2=A0the hole in in cap is too far up or d=
own. this will need a combination of feel and measurement<br>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>if the alternative=C2=A0caps have a significant step to 1 side, so you=
will clearly feel a ledge at the mating faces when they are tightened up<b=
r></div>
<div>
<div><br></div>
<div>if the stap is very minor, like a few thousandths=C2=A0of an inch, the=
n the faces of the cap are machined down to create an oval hole, then it it=
is align honed</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>if it is really bad, like many tens of thou, then you have to firstly =
move the cap sideways by machining the register on 1 side and peening=C2=A0=
it on the other, and effectively moving it sideways, followed by boring/hon=
ing</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>sometimes, the bolts are too neat a fit to allow this and if thats the=
case, its usually easier to find some other caps or make them</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>if the tunnel is simply=C2=A0an=C2=A0oval because the cap is too far u=
p or down, this is usually easily fixed by facing the cap mating surfaces a=
nd reboring the tunnels</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>not all engine machine shop have a line borer...mine did not, so subco=
ntracting the job is not uncommon</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>the end result should be a perfectly round hole with a super fine hone=
(cross-hatch) mark on the bearing faces, to ensure=C2=A0perfect bearing sh=
ell=C2=A0contact</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>=C2=A0Terry</div>
<div>Australia</div>
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<div>Speaking of main caps I bought a block that turned out to not have the=
original main caps. The caps on there did not match up with the block but =
I=E2=80=99ve been unable to find a machine shop that can machine them so th=
ere=E2=80=99s a round hole for the crank. The shop I had do my last block (=
and they do 427 race engines among others and are well respected) told me t=
hat the result would be ovaled out holes (not round) which obviously is not=
good.
<div>Certainly there=E2=80=99s a way to make this work but I haven=E2=80=99=
t found it. I checked out another block shop but said they subcontract line=
-boring to the the shop that said they couldn=E2=80=99t do it.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Has anyone else encountered this problem? I=E2=80=99ve heard that stee=
l mains might be an answer but they=E2=80=99d still have to be line-bored t=
o make them match. I hate to ship a block to get this done before I have re=
assurances that they can make it work but does anyone know of that has succ=
essfully made main caps match the block? Given I=E2=80=99m spending a lot o=
f time these days staying home and catching up on car projects in the shop =
I figured it would be a good time to start building the next engine.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Solutions or recommendations?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Bud<br>
<div><br></div>
<div>=C2=A0<br>
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<div>On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</di=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Amici,
<div><br></div>
<div>In typically rookie race engine builder mode with the block I selected=
for rebuild, I pulled the main bearing caps (with my new fancy DeWalt 20V =
Impact Wrench) and then couldn't remember which way around they went.=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>This led to visions of catastrophic failure somewhere down the road. Y=
et, I had several other blocks I could flip over and make a determination i=
f need be.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I was examining one of the caps when I discovered the faintest engravi=
ng on the surface of each cap:<br>
<br>
Eng #2 Front Fwd</div>
<div>Eng #2 Mid Fwd</div>
<div>Eng #2 Rr Fwd</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Doug Brown, my original owner/builder/driver extraordinaire had engrav=
ed each cap for me to make sure a mistake didn't occur. He rotated 3 en=
gines during each season in a quest for Divisional and National Championshi=
ps.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I guess that is the way a aeronautical/mechanical engineer and very su=
ccessful=C2=A0racer thinks.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thanks again Doug!</div>
<div><br></div>
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il-m_-3422984220944576185gmail-m_2395422064748517556cid:ii_k83wus460"><I=
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font>Chino CA</font></b></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font>#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3</=
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/a><br>
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<a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br>
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et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive"; rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a href=3D"http://www.team.n=
et/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<br>
t/enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries@roadandtrack.net.au</a><br>
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m.net</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
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t-racing.com</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html"; target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><br>
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fot/rkramer56@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/op=
tions/fot/rkramer56@gmail.com</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
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<span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
<span><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.tea=
m.net</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span><a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com"; target=3D"_blank">http://www.fo=
t-racing.com</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Donate: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html"; target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.team.net/donate.html</a></span><br>
<span>Archive: <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive"; target=3D"_blank">=
http://autox.team.net/archive</a> <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/=
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fot/vfracing@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/optio=
ns/fot/vfracing@aol.com</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
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/a><br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com"; target=3D"_blank">http://www.fot-raci=
ng.com</a><br>
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//www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive"; target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/autox.team.net/archive</a> <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot</a><br>
ncan.charlton54@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/=
options/fot/duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a><br>
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