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To: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3@austin.rr.com>, "Bill Babcock" <ponobill@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Endurance TR6 at COTA
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Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:09:52 -0500
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might also be a handy place to mount Watts linkage center
pivot.


art de armond

From: Bob Kramer=20
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 10:00 PM
To: Bill Babcock=20
Cc: Fot=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Endurance TR6 at COTA

I'm guessing the four bosses will take a TR4A style IRS bracket. This =
looks like a worthy upgrade. We are going to add a pump and cooler for =
sure.=20

This time I think we had a more traditional pinion failure rather than =
heat related.  I felt it chunk something in the first hour of the event =
when it was still pretty cool. It later calmed down to the point other =
drivers said they didn't hear it.=20

I'll pull it and find out soon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com> wrote:


  See if you can find one of these diff covers. About three times the =
oil capacity and a heck of a lot more cooling. Fitting it might be a =
challenge, but it solved my frying diff problem completely. That and =
RedLine diff oil.  No, I don=E2=80=99t remember where I got it. sorry. =
Maybe someone else knows where they come from. As you can see by the =
empty bracket, I didtched my panhard rod to run this thing. Subbed in =
the solid brass spring eyes and big washers from Joe (I think, great =
memory) which keeps the axle centered almost as well. . =20

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    On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> =
wrote:

    Just a quick update. We were beaten by equipment at approximately =
1:30 yesterday afternoon. Although certainly disappointed not to take =
the flag, we were all pretty proud of the old girl. She put in a solid 8 =
hours Friday and another 5.5 on Saturday.=20

    We were racing cars from the past two decades with a few exceptions. =
Out of 100+ cars, there was a pair of 60s mustangs, an Opel with a LS =
motor and us. Friday we finished 47th with 114 laps and yesterday 73 =
with 81 laps.  We were averaging 3:10s around the full F1 course. As a =
point of reference, the leaders were running consistent 2:50s. A certain =
pair of drivers on our team were clipping close to 2 minute laps and =
both swore they weren't pushing too hard, maybe.

    We were running with 18 month old 200 tried wear tires that had been =
flat spotted at the last race. This became very noticeable at 100+ down =
the straights. We again limited RPMs to save the motor.  With a 3.7 rear =
end and no OD we were full speed about 1/2 into the straights.  This is =
where the leaders would pass us.

    Some of you recall last summer we raced this car with WRL in the =
June Texas heat and had some issues with lower than desirable oil =
pressures and a diff that boiling its juice.=20

    For the engine side of things:  This time around we installed an oil =
cooler and used VR1 full synthetic. Oil pressure at full tilt was 90+ =
all weekend and 40-50 at idle at pit stops.  Problem solved. I am very =
impressed with synthetic motor oil. The oil still looks brand new after =
13+ hours of racing. I know from past endurance races with Dino oil, it =
would be pitch black and stinky at this point.=20

    On the diff side (not so good):  after boiling the Dino based =
lubricant last summer, we opted to simply switch to synthetic. This =
seemed to be working on Friday as our diff catch can stayed dry. We had =
some terrible noises coming from the rear end on Friday that we thought =
were hub bearings going out.  The hub bearings are still suspect and =
will require attention. But our more serious problem was heat in the =
diff. The diff puked at about 1:30 and our day was done.=20

    Last summer Keith mention his solution was a diff cooler and I think =
we will be heading down that path for the next endurance race. Who =
knows, we may end up with a triumph that can go the distance, =
eventually.=20

    We were so close this time.

    Sent from my iPhone


      On Aug 5, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> =
wrote:

      We finished the day strong. Only a brief stint in the garage to =
check some bearings. Other than that, ran all day long in the Texas =
heat. Right now 47th out 100+

      Notice the only hood down in the pic?



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<DIV>might also be a handy place to mount Watts linkage center</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 07, 2016 10:00 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Endurance TR6 at COTA</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>I'm guessing the four bosses will take a TR4A style IRS bracket. =
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<DIV id=3DAppleMailSignature>This time I think we had a more traditional =
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<DIV id=3DAppleMailSignature>I'll pull it and find out soon.<BR><BR>Sent =
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the oil=20
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  oil.&nbsp; No, I don=E2=80=99t remember where I got it. sorry. Maybe =
someone else=20
  knows where they come from. As you can see by the empty bracket, I =
didtched my=20
  panhard rod to run this thing. Subbed in the solid brass spring eyes =
and big=20
  washers from Joe (I think, great memory) which keeps the axle centered =
almost=20
  as well. .&nbsp;=20
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    <DIV>Just a quick update. We were beaten by equipment at =
approximately 1:30=20
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flag,=20
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Friday=20
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past two=20
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60s=20
    mustangs, an Opel with a LS motor and us. Friday we finished 47th =
with 114=20
    laps and yesterday 73 with 81 laps.&nbsp; We were averaging 3:10s =
around the=20
    full F1 course. As a point of reference, the leaders were running =
consistent=20
    2:50s. A certain pair of drivers on our team were clipping close to =
2 minute=20
    laps and both swore they weren't pushing too hard, maybe.<BR><BR>We =
were=20
    running with 18 month old 200 tried wear tires that had been flat =
spotted at=20
    the last race. This became very noticeable at 100+ down the =
straights. We=20
    again limited RPMs to save the motor.&nbsp; With a 3.7 rear end and =
no OD we=20
    were full speed about 1/2 into the straights.&nbsp; This is where =
the=20
    leaders would pass us.<BR><BR>Some of you recall last summer we =
raced this=20
    car with WRL in the June Texas heat and had some issues with lower =
than=20
    desirable oil pressures and a diff that boiling its juice. =
<BR><BR>For the=20
    engine side of things:&nbsp; This time around we installed an oil =
cooler and=20
    used VR1 full synthetic. Oil pressure at full tilt was 90+ all =
weekend and=20
    40-50 at idle at pit stops.&nbsp; Problem solved. I am very =
impressed with=20
    synthetic motor oil. The oil still looks brand new after 13+ hours =
of=20
    racing. I know from past endurance races with Dino oil, it would be =
pitch=20
    black and stinky at this point. <BR><BR>On the diff side (not so=20
    good):&nbsp; after boiling the Dino based lubricant last summer, we =
opted to=20
    simply switch to synthetic. This seemed to be working on Friday as =
our diff=20
    catch can stayed dry. We had some terrible noises coming from the =
rear end=20
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    bearings are still suspect and will require attention. But our more =
serious=20
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day was=20
    done. <BR><BR>Last summer Keith mention his solution was a diff =
cooler and I=20
    think we will be heading down that path for the next endurance race. =
Who=20
    knows, we may end up with a triumph that can go the distance, =
eventually.=20
    <BR><BR>We were so close this time.<BR><BR>Sent from my =
iPhone<BR><BR>
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