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RE: Sways, How much bar is too much bar?

To: "Thana, Peter {HTS~Palo Alto}" <PETER.THANA@ROCHE.COM>,
Subject: RE: Sways, How much bar is too much bar?
From: Chris Kolstad <ckolstad@cisco.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:23:21 -0700
Actually, I think that the setting should take all of these things into account 
"You need to make sure the changes are coming from the car, not the surface or 
the course or the driver."

Surface is a huge factor.  How many racing teams leave their settings alone 
when it rains?  The way things grip and the car behaves are VASTLY different 
depending on the friction of the surface.  Also, some drivers like a car that 
is rear end happy while others do not.  That is something the driver should 
play with based on feedback from others as the the fast way around the course.

Chris


At 11:35 AM 4/22/03, Thana, Peter {HTS~Palo Alto} wrote:
>You'll never really know if it will work until you try it, as Katie
>said.  But changing things event by event while we change from surface
>to surface is not a good idea IMO.  You need to make sure the changes
>are coming from the car, not the surface or the course or the driver.
>My first question would be, what amount of front bar gives the least
>amount of understeer?  As I mentioned in the previous post, softer may
>not always meen less understeer in a car with near 0 static negative
>camber, high roll angles, and struts.  You may actually be giving up
>more in contact patch than you are gaining from the weight shift effect.
>The only way to know is to try.
>
>I'd try to find some time at Oakland, or maybe 3Com where there are fun
>runs or you might get a second card if turnout is low enough.  Go thru
>the range of adjustment on the front bar first, with the rear full soft.
>Which setting gives the least understeer?  Do you get less wheelspin as
>you go stiffer?  I'd run the front as stiff as you can tolerate- you
>should get less wheelspin and a minor improvement in transitions.
>
>Once you figure out what the optimum setting is for the front, then you
>can goof with the rear, probably just with the front on full stiff.  My
>gut feeling is that running the rear stiff will hurt you more than it
>will help you no matter what, since the stiffer the rear bar, the more
>it will pick up that inside wheel.  But I really can't tell sitting here
>typing on a keyboard!
>
>After you get this all figured out, you'd probably have to do it over
>again on concrete, as Katie mentioned.  Although I'm not at all
>convinced that the extra grip that we see on race tires translates to
>Falkens, because my experiences with them on concrete have all been
>rather negative.
>
>Like I said, my strategy would be to set the car up around the worst
>problem that's costing you the most time, and then adjust other things
>around it.  To me, the biggest problem on the 330i is all that wonderful
>torque and no LSD to put it down.  I would try very hard to minimize
>wheelspin.  If that makes the car push, then I'd consider getting the
>balance back with alignment first (toe, rear camber) because that
>doesn't increase wheelspin.  
>
>The other thing you can change which doesn't cost you anything is
>driving style.  Is the car really pushing or are you just carrying a
>little too much speed into the corners.  By braking earlier, longer, and
>harder, you can bleed off enough speed so that there's a little reserve
>grip for you to start feeding in the power earlier.  If you are always
>riding the front tire on the edge of terminal understeer, when you go to
>put the power down you'll just get more of the same.  As long as you
>don't overdo it on the way in, I'm pretty sure your car has plenty of
>torque to give you all the power oversteer you want on the way out.
>
>It definitely doesn't hurt to experiment, but remember you're running
>one of the only torquey, heavy, RWD cars in STS.  Your car is never
>going to be the speed maintenance car of the class, it's always going to
>be the muscle car.  It's always going to earn its money powering out of
>slow corners and flying down the straights.  If I had that car and a
>limited budget, I'd want to make sure I was capitalizing on those
>advantages.
>
>Peter

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