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Sorry to hear of the quote shock. You could always try the simple "scrape i=
t down and then coat with POR" method. Before that, a bit of braising could=
cover many sins. It would definitely help in the floorpan area. Actually I=
was always under the impression that the replacements were designed to be =
welded "in situ" as it were. I've certainly seen it done enough. Perfection=
, maybe not, but perfection is awfully expensive.
=20
As to the Silicone question: Lord I do tire of the fright-mongers. Silicone=
works. Period. After this much time, one would think this question had bee=
n resolved, if only by the continued survival of the people who have conver=
ted.=20
=20
I asked a couple of list gurus like Randall and then decided to give it a g=
o. I was so sick of getting my paint ruined by the seemingly unavoidable TR=
drips.
I did the bare minimum of work to switch over. I just drained as much of th=
e old fluid as I could, by unbolting the calipers and turning them over to =
drain. I pumped a bottle of Dot5 through to clean the lines and then just t=
ightened the valves. I think I bled the system a little once or twice in th=
e next couple of days to get a little air out and that was it.=20
=20
I haven't seen a wrinkle in the paint or had a joint freeze up on the brake=
lines in the 10 years since I changed. Brakes are nice and stiff, clutch i=
s very good. It seems to me that the brake MC and clutch MC seals last long=
er with the smoother feel of the silicone fluid.=20
=20
Anyway, one of the best changes I ever made to the car. Just my opinion, an=
d you know what they say about those...
=20
Cheers,
=20
Mark Hooper
1972 TR6
From: 6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James_ via 6=
pack
Sent: June-09-15 4:42 PM
To: 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
=20
Hi all=85
=20
First=85.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously=
=85even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
=20
I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey=
's=85and I gather he does very high end work=85.and accustom to people with=
deep pockets.
So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to=
have work done 100% thorough and correct.
=20
First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re=
place.
First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.
=20
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld=
ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)
=20
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair=
ed and powder coated.
Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and =
the rest of the year.
Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that=
much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.
I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket'=
by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to showroom c=
ondition!!!
=20
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=85.wha=
t else=85
=20
=85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with =
the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=85me=
rcy=85no more=85make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's the poi=
nt. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS car.
=20
Or:
another option=85.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repaire=
d and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good welding=
job=20
but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you get wha=
t you pay for.=20
=20
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever=
ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte=
d.
At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more =
they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
(only half kidding=85.)
=20
=20
Oh, one more thing=85.
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake flui=
d. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I us=
e it.
I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is =
a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty d=
epartment!
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=85.They =
void it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20
I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follo=
ws what his dad hates.=20
=20
I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone a=
s much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=85is=
Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
=20
Well, any advice or words of comfort?
=20
James
=20
1976 TR6=20
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry to hear of the quote shock. You
could always try the simple "scrape it down and then coat with POR&quo=
t;
method. Before that, a bit of braising could cover many sins. It would
definitely help in the floorpan area. Actually I was always under the
impression that the replacements were designed to be welded "in situ&q=
uot;
as it were. I've certainly seen it done enough. Perfection, maybe not, but
perfection is awfully expensive.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As to the Silicone question: Lord I do=
tire
of the fright-mongers. Silicone works. Period. After this much time, one wo=
uld
think this question had been resolved, if only by the continued survival of=
the
people who have converted. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I asked a couple of list gurus like
Randall and then decided to give it a go. I was so sick of getting my paint
ruined by the seemingly unavoidable TR drips.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I did the bare minimum of work to swit=
ch
over. I just drained as much of the old fluid as I could, by unbolting the
calipers and turning them over to drain. I pumped a bottle of Dot5 through =
to
clean the lines and then just tightened the valves. I think I bled the syst=
em a
little once or twice in the next couple of days to get a little air out and
that was it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I haven't seen a wrinkle in the paint =
or
had a joint freeze up on the brake lines in the 10 years since I changed. B=
rakes
are nice and stiff, clutch is very good. It seems to me that the brake MC a=
nd
clutch MC seals last longer with the smoother feel of the silicone fluid. <=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway, one of the best changes I ever
made to the car. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about those...=
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mark Hooper<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1972 TR6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span>=
</font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Tahoma'>
6pack [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:b=
old'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>James_ via 6pack<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> June-09-15 4:42 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"=
on">6pack@autox.team.net</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [6pack] Floorpan
replacement and Rust repair quote...</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Hi all…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First….I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 an=
d
walk away….seriously…even after 22 years of my entire adult lif=
e.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally w=
orks
on Austin Healey's…and I gather he does very high end work….and
accustom to people with deep pockets.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably=
the
best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.<o:p></o:p></span=
></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First: I was told floor pans require the car body to b=
e
off the frame to replace.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First overwhelming thought…body of the car? ugh.=
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panel=
s
fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affec=
ts
the pedal box too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand
blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money=
. a <st1:place
w:st=3D"on">LOT</st1:place> of money and the rest of the year.<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sur=
e I
love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more tha=
n a
car is worth.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust i=
s
not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a
car that comes close to showroom condition!!!<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed=
/
sad / hmmmm….what else…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>…I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Sa=
y
screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and dri=
ve
it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>or:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally rea=
ched
that "mercy…mercy…no more…make it stop" stage.<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again̷=
0;.I
mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history =
of
THIS car.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Or:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>another option….(my original desire/thought) is =
to
have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does=
a
really good welding job <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>but not nearly as intense of a procedure or
expensive. I know…you get what you pay for. <o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to
detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed=
and
engine bay painted.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS -
they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything =
is
removed!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>(only half kidding….)<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Oh, one more thing….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching t=
o
Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty b=
eing
voided if I use it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is
that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" &qu=
ot;I
buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss=
,
etc. hmmmm….They void it if the silicone falls the parts.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. <o:p></o=
:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silic=
one
and he just follows what his dad hates. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem=
to
carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restorati=
on
guy's comments…is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Well, any advice or words of comfort?<o:p></o:p></span=
></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>James<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>1976 TR6 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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