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I think that this actually may explain the discrepancy between the large =
gap in body numbers and the rather small gap in car/chassis numbers that =
exist between Lann's car and mine. It is my understanding that cars that =
were to become Varitones were shipped to Abingdon from Cowley (~6 miles) =
as standard ZB bodies. Abingdon would then look at the order sheets for =
Varitones and send the requisite number of bodies back to Cowley as =
painted shells. At Cowley, the rear window openings were modified (in =
what some refer to as a real "knife and fork" process) re-painted and =
sent back to Abingdon for final assembly. It stands to reason, if this =
is truly the case, that a Varitone body could have a build =
number/sequence that is quite a bit older than the non-Varitones that =
were right in front of and right behind a standard ZB on the final =
assembly line.
At any rate, this is a very interesting bit of Abingdon "old MG" lore...
Steve H.
On Nov 29, 2013, at 3:53 PM, John Park <jpark@bmts.com> wrote:
> Thanks Steve. Is there such a things as a Varitone number? I seem to =
remember back in 1989 when I bought my Magnette I spoke with a Steve or =
Bob ( I don=92t remember which at this point) Young in San Francisco who =
gave me some good info I have now misplaced. I had a thought that there =
is one. John
> =20
> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Google Apps Email
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:38 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Cc: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
> =20
> John,
> =20
> Every Magnette that I have examined has both a body and a chassis =
number. As near as I can tell from my readings, the body number had =
significance to the Pressed Steel body plant, probably to track batches =
of bodies before they were despached to Abingdon for final assembly and =
the assignment of a chassis/car number. The body number of my Magnette =
is 29738, chassis number KAA41/35361 and a build date of 14 October =
through 17 October 1958. John Drake attempted to draw some sort of =
correlation between the body and chassis numbers of the MGAs when he was =
registrar, though I don't recall if he was successful.
>=20
> Steve
>=20
> On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:11 PM, "John Park" <jpark@bmts.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Paul,
> Thanks for the =93language=94 lesson. Always nice to have =
someone explain how others do things versus what is familiar to =
ourselves. What can you tell me about the body numbers? Do all Z=92s =
have one or only the Varitones? Mine is something like 7595. I have to =
dig out some paperwork to find it as the problem painter failed to mask =
the number plate and it is very hard to decipher a number in its =
current state. I=92m torn between leaving it as is or sanding the paint =
off to see the number. It is located on the driver=92s side inner fender =
near the upper lip about 2 feet from the builder=92s plate.
> Regards,
> John
> =20
> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Barrow
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:56 PM
> To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
> =20
> Hi John
> =20
> You are correct in that they are monocoque however you are incorrect =
in that the British Industry Motor Heritage refers to the VIN number =
(the KAE=85 bit) is referred to as the Car/Chassis Number so in a sense =
Allen is completely correct.
> =20
> Paul
> =20
> Paul Barrow
> 153 Clemons Road
> Montesano, WA 98563 USA
> +1 360 249 5123 Landline
> +1 360 500 9389 Cell phone
> +1 360 249 3776 Fax
> Paul.Barrow@centurytel.net
> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Park
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:45 PM
> To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
> =20
> There is no chassis it=92s a monocoque. Do you mean the serial number =
for the car or the body number? I=92m not sure if it=92s only Varitones =
that have body numbers or if they all have a body number. Maybe we =
should do engine numbers too? Just some more thoughts/questions.
> =20
> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:56 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
> =20
> Something just occurred to me - it's a question that can be answered =
in three ways as I see it: should we include chassis numbers in the =
roster? We can say yes, no, or leave it up to the members. Granted =
that NAMGAR does the registration aspects of ZMG, but on occasion it =
might be handy and/or fun to have our own casual records. Maybe, for =
example, we'll discover we have some sequentially-related cars. More =
seriously, we may discover some subtle mid-model changes that affect =
technical concerns. I'll propose that each of us can pursue this at =
his/her option, unless Mike finds a glitch in being able to include this =
in the data. It would be neat to be able to search our cars by chassis =
number. If the data is available in the roster, Mike need do nothing =
more, a member can simply import the data to an Excel file, allowing one =
to organize and search by chassis number. =20
> =20
> This may be of little concern to most of us. If so, a modest response =
will tell the story and I'll let it go. It's no big deal...
> =20
> Cheers,
> Allen
> ****************************************************************
> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> ****************************************************************
> =20
> On Nov 27, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mike wrote:
> =20
>=20
> Howdy all,
>=20
> That's a darn good idea, updating the Roster. The last version came =
out in July, so we're about due for a new one.
>=20
> But I've been lax, and haven't gathered any info from most of the new =
members since July So, if you joined in the past half year, or you're an =
old-timer that never subscribed to the Roster, send me your info now. =
Here's what can go into it:
>=20
> Your first name, middle initial, and last name.
> Your SO's first & last name. (SO's don't get middle initials - no one =
has ever asked for that.)
> Address: Street, city, state/province, postal code, country.
> Up to two phone numbers
> Email address
> Special-interest cars (no 2010 Toyota Camrys, e.g.)
> Services provided
> Comments
>=20
> Cars are recorded like so: Year, Make, Model, Color, Status
>=20
> Colors are shown exterior w/ interior. For two-tone cars, it's =
exterior top/exterior bottom w/ interior. For an example, here's the =
entry for my car, an Old English White over Birch Grey Varitone with =
maroon interior:
>=20
> Year: 1958 Make: MG Model: ZBV Color: OEW/Birch grey w/ maroon =
Status: Always a driver
>=20
> You don't have to worry about the formatting; I'll take care of that.
>=20
> For Services, people tend to write about help they can provide. =
Entries range from "Tools, some parts, can come out & help, limited =
garage space." to "Cold beer on hand at all times."
>=20
> Comments can be anything else you'd care to add.
>=20
> And it's all optional. One person just has his name, email address, =
and the line for his Magnette. Other people include all their =
special-interest cars (we don't list motorcycles or "regular" cars) and =
some history.
>=20
> If you haven't already, send me your info now, while we're all still =
thinking of it, and I'll send out an updated roster next month.
>=20
> Let me know at mikesmuseum@yahoo.com if you have any questions. Please =
don't reply to the group and spam everyone.
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> Mike Jacobsen
>=20
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net> wrote:
>=20
> Subject: [Zmagnette] New Member
> To: "zmagnette" <zmagnette@autox.team.net>, "John Taft" =
<jtaft89@gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:03 PM
>=20
> Everybody...=20
> ... Mike updates the roster twice a year and perhaps he can remind us =
when the next revision is coming out. ....
>=20
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style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think that this actually may =
explain the discrepancy between the large gap in body numbers and the =
rather small gap in car/chassis numbers that exist between Lann's car =
and mine. It is my understanding that cars that were to become Varitones =
were shipped to Abingdon from Cowley (~6 miles) as standard ZB bodies. =
Abingdon would then look at the order sheets for Varitones and send the =
requisite number of bodies back to Cowley as painted shells. At Cowley, =
the rear window openings were modified (in what some refer to as a real =
"knife and fork" process) re-painted and sent back to Abingdon for final =
assembly. It stands to reason, if this is truly the case, that a =
Varitone body could have a build number/sequence that is quite a bit =
older than the non-Varitones that were right in front of and right =
behind a standard ZB on the final assembly line.<div><br></div><div>At =
any rate, this is a very interesting bit of Abingdon "old MG" =
lore...</div><div><br></div><div>Steve H.</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov =
29, 2013, at 3:53 PM, John Park <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jpark@bmts.com";>jpark@bmts.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
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New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks Steve. Is there such a =
things as a Varitone number? I seem to remember back in 1989 when I =
bought my Magnette I spoke with a Steve or Bob ( I don=92t remember =
which at this point) Young in San Francisco who gave me some good info I =
have now misplaced. I had a thought that there is one. =
John<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
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href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: purple; =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Google Apps =
Email<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
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10:38 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
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Group - North America<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG =
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"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
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"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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">Every Magnette that I have examined has both a body and a chassis =
number. As near as I can tell from my readings, the body number had =
significance to the Pressed Steel body plant, probably to track batches =
of bodies before they were despached to Abingdon for final assembly and =
the assignment of a chassis/car number. The body number of my Magnette =
is 29738, chassis number KAA41/35361 and a build date of 14 October =
through 17 October 1958. John Drake attempted to draw some sort of =
correlation between the body and chassis numbers of the MGAs when he was =
registrar, though I don't recall if he was =
successful.<br><br>Steve<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><br>On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:11 PM, "John Park" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jpark@bmts.com"; style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline; ">jpark@bmts.com</a>> =
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Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
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style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, =
73, 125); =
"> =
Thanks for the =93language=94 lesson. Always nice to have someone =
explain how others do things versus what is familiar to ourselves. What =
can you tell me about the body numbers? Do all Z=92s have one or only =
the Varitones? Mine is something like 7595. I have to dig out some =
paperwork to find it as the problem painter failed to mask the number =
plate and it is very hard to decipher a number in its current =
state. I=92m torn between leaving it as is or sanding the paint off to =
see the number. It is located on the driver=92s side inner fender near =
the upper lip about 2 feet from the builder=92s =
plate.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, =
73, 125); =
"> =
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"> =
John</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
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Barrow<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 28, 2013 =
9:56 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>'List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North America'<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG =
Roster</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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">Hi John</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; =
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; =
">You are correct in that they are monocoque however you are incorrect =
in that the British Industry Motor Heritage refers to the VIN number =
(the KAE=85 bit) is referred to as the Car/Chassis Number so in a sense =
Allen is completely correct.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
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navy; ">Paul Barrow</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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navy; ">153 Clemons Road</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
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New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
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New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, =
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style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; =
">Paul.Barrow@centurytel.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
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New Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a =
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text-decoration: underline; =
">mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John =
Park<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, November 28, 2013 =
6:45 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>'List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North America'<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG =
Roster</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, =
73, 125); ">There is no chassis it=92s a monocoque. Do you mean the =
serial number for the car or the body number? I=92m not sure if it=92s =
only Varitones that have body numbers or if they all have a body number. =
Maybe we should do engine numbers too? Just some more =
thoughts/questions.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Allen =
Bachelder<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 27, =
2013 8:56 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG =
Roster</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Something just =
occurred to me - it's a question that can be answered in three ways as I =
see it: should we include chassis numbers in the roster? We can =
say yes, no, or leave it up to the members. Granted that NAMGAR =
does the registration aspects of ZMG, but on occasion it might be handy =
and/or fun to have our own casual records. Maybe, for example, =
we'll discover we have some sequentially-related cars. More seriously, =
we may discover some subtle mid-model changes that affect technical =
concerns. I'll propose that each of us can pursue this at his/her =
option, unless Mike finds a glitch in being able to include this in the =
data. It would be neat to be able to search our cars by chassis number. =
If the data is available in the roster, Mike need do nothing more, a =
member can simply import the data to an Excel file, allowing one to =
organize and search by chassis number. =
<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This =
may be of little concern to most of us. If so, a modest response will =
tell the story and I'll let it go. It's no big =
deal...<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Allen<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
class=3D"apple-style-span"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; =
">****************************************************************</span><=
/i></b></span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; ">Allen & Florrie Bachelder =
=3Diii=3D<<br>Spring Creek Home for Wayward =
MGs</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; ">'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 =
B/GT</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; ">North Street, MI 48049, =
USA</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs"; style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs</a></span></i></b></span><o:=
p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; =
">****************************************************************</span><=
/span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> <o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On =
Nov 27, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mike wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt; "><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Howdy =
all,<br><br>That's a darn good idea, updating the Roster. The last =
version came out in July, so we're about due for a new one.<br><br>But =
I've been lax, and haven't gathered any info from most of the new =
members since July So, if you joined in the past half year, or you're an =
old-timer that never subscribed to the Roster, send me your info now. =
Here's what can go into it:<br><br>Your first name, middle initial, and =
last name.<br>Your SO's first & last name. (SO's don't get middle =
initials - no one has ever asked for that.)<br>Address: Street, city, =
state/province, postal code, country.<br>Up to two phone =
numbers<br>Email address<br>Special-interest cars (no 2010 Toyota =
Camrys, e.g.)<br>Services provided<br>Comments<br><br>Cars are recorded =
like so: Year, Make, Model, Color, Status<br><br>Colors are shown =
exterior w/ interior. For two-tone cars, it's exterior top/exterior =
bottom w/ interior. For an example, here's the entry for my car, an Old =
English White over Birch Grey Varitone with maroon =
interior:<br><br>Year: 1958 Make: MG Model: ZBV Color: =
OEW/Birch grey w/ maroon Status: Always a driver<br><br>You don't =
have to worry about the formatting; I'll take care of that.<br><br>For =
Services, people tend to write about help they can provide. Entries =
range from "Tools, some parts, can come out & help, limited garage =
space." to "Cold beer on hand at all times."<br><br>Comments can be =
anything else you'd care to add.<br><br>And it's all optional. One =
person just has his name, email address, and the line for his Magnette. =
Other people include all their special-interest cars (we don't list =
motorcycles or "regular" cars) and some history.<br><br>If you haven't =
already, send me your info now, while we're all still thinking of it, =
and I'll send out an updated roster next month.<br><br>Let me know =
at<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:mikesmuseum@yahoo.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">mikesmuseum@yahoo.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you have any questions. =
Please don't reply to the group and spam =
everyone.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Mike =
Jacobsen<br><br>--------------------------------------------<br>On Wed, =
11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <<a href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; =
">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>Subject: [Zmagnette] New =
Member<br>To: "zmagnette" <<a href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; =
">zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>>, "John Taft" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jtaft89@gmail.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">jtaft89@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: =
Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:03 PM<br><br>Everybody... <br>... =
Mike updates the roster twice a year and perhaps he can remind us when =
the next revision is coming out. =
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