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Thanks Steve. Is there such a things as a Varitone number? I seem to =
remember back in 1989 when I bought my Magnette I spoke with a Steve or =
Bob ( I don=E2=80=99t remember which at this point) Young in San =
Francisco who gave me some good info I have now misplaced. I had a =
thought that there is one. John
=20
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Google Apps Email
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:38 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Cc: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
=20
John,
=20
Every Magnette that I have examined has both a body and a chassis =
number. As near as I can tell from my readings, the body number had =
significance to the Pressed Steel body plant, probably to track batches =
of bodies before they were despached to Abingdon for final assembly and =
the assignment of a chassis/car number. The body number of my Magnette =
is 29738, chassis number KAA41/35361 and a build date of 14 October =
through 17 October 1958. John Drake attempted to draw some sort of =
correlation between the body and chassis numbers of the MGAs when he was =
registrar, though I don't recall if he was successful.
Steve
On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:11 PM, "John Park" <jpark@bmts.com =
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D lesson. Always =
nice to have someone explain how others do things versus what is =
familiar to ourselves. What can you tell me about the body numbers? Do =
all Z=E2=80=99s have one or only the Varitones? Mine is something like =
7595. I have to dig out some paperwork to find it as the problem painter =
failed to mask the number plate and it is very hard to decipher a number =
in its current state. I=E2=80=99m torn between leaving it as is or =
sanding the paint off to see the number. It is located on the =
driver=E2=80=99s side inner fender near the upper lip about 2 feet from =
the builder=E2=80=99s plate.
Regards,
John
=20
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Barrow
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:56 PM
To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
=20
Hi John
=20
You are correct in that they are monocoque however you are incorrect in =
that the British Industry Motor Heritage refers to the VIN number (the =
KAE=E2=80=A6 bit) is referred to as the Car/Chassis Number so in a sense =
Allen is completely correct.
=20
Paul
=20
Paul Barrow
153 Clemons Road
Montesano, WA 98563 USA
+1 360 249 5123 Landline
+1 360 500 9389 Cell phone
+1 360 249 3776 Fax
_____ =20
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Park
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:45 PM
To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
=20
There is no chassis it=E2=80=99s a monocoque. Do you mean the serial =
number for the car or the body number? I=E2=80=99m not sure if =
it=E2=80=99s only Varitones that have body numbers or if they all have a =
body number. Maybe we should do engine numbers too? Just some more =
thoughts/questions.
=20
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:56 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
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Something just occurred to me - it's a question that can be answered in =
three ways as I see it: should we include chassis numbers in the roster? =
We can say yes, no, or leave it up to the members. Granted that NAMGAR =
does the registration aspects of ZMG, but on occasion it might be handy =
and/or fun to have our own casual records. Maybe, for example, we'll =
discover we have some sequentially-related cars. More seriously, we may =
discover some subtle mid-model changes that affect technical concerns. =
I'll propose that each of us can pursue this at his/her option, unless =
Mike finds a glitch in being able to include this in the data. It would =
be neat to be able to search our cars by chassis number. If the data is =
available in the roster, Mike need do nothing more, a member can simply =
import the data to an Excel file, allowing one to organize and search =
by chassis number. =20
=20
This may be of little concern to most of us. If so, a modest response =
will tell the story and I'll let it go. It's no big deal...
=20
Cheers,
Allen
****************************************************************
Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
****************************************************************
=20
On Nov 27, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mike wrote:
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Howdy all,
That's a darn good idea, updating the Roster. The last version came out =
in July, so we're about due for a new one.
But I've been lax, and haven't gathered any info from most of the new =
members since July So, if you joined in the past half year, or you're an =
old-timer that never subscribed to the Roster, send me your info now. =
Here's what can go into it:
Your first name, middle initial, and last name.
Your SO's first & last name. (SO's don't get middle initials - no one =
has ever asked for that.)
Address: Street, city, state/province, postal code, country.
Up to two phone numbers
Email address
Special-interest cars (no 2010 Toyota Camrys, e.g.)
Services provided
Comments
Cars are recorded like so: Year, Make, Model, Color, Status
Colors are shown exterior w/ interior. For two-tone cars, it's exterior =
top/exterior bottom w/ interior. For an example, here's the entry for my =
car, an Old English White over Birch Grey Varitone with maroon interior:
Year: 1958 Make: MG Model: ZBV Color: OEW/Birch grey w/ maroon =
Status: Always a driver
You don't have to worry about the formatting; I'll take care of that.
For Services, people tend to write about help they can provide. Entries =
range from "Tools, some parts, can come out & help, limited garage =
space." to "Cold beer on hand at all times."
Comments can be anything else you'd care to add.
And it's all optional. One person just has his name, email address, and =
the line for his Magnette. Other people include all their =
special-interest cars (we don't list motorcycles or "regular" cars) and =
some history.
If you haven't already, send me your info now, while we're all still =
thinking of it, and I'll send out an updated roster next month.
you have any questions. Please don't reply to the group and spam =
everyone.
Thanks!
Mike Jacobsen
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net =
Subject: [Zmagnette] New Member
To: "zmagnette" <zmagnette@autox.team.net =
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:03 PM
Everybody...=20
... Mike updates the roster twice a year and perhaps he can remind us =
when the next revision is coming out. ....
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Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/zmagnette/bachldrs@comcast.net
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Thanks Steve. Is there such a things as a Varitone number? I seem to =
remember back in 1989 when I bought my Magnette I spoke with a Steve or =
Bob ( I don=E2=80=99t remember which at this point) Young in San =
Francisco who gave me some good info I have now misplaced. I had a =
thought that there is one. John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> =
zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Google =
Apps Email<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:38 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America<br><b>Cc:</b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North =
America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG =
Roster<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>John,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Every Magnette that I have examined has both a body =
and a chassis number. As near as I can tell from my readings, the body =
number had significance to the Pressed Steel body plant, probably to =
track batches of bodies before they were despached to Abingdon for final =
assembly and the assignment of a chassis/car number. The body number of =
my Magnette is 29738, chassis number KAA41/35361 and a build date of 14 =
October through 17 October 1958. John Drake attempted to draw some =
sort of correlation between the body and chassis numbers of the MGAs =
when he was registrar, though I don't recall if he was =
successful.<br><br>Steve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Nov 28, 2013, at 7:11 PM, =
"John Park" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jpark@bmts.com";>jpark@bmts.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Hi Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> =
Thanks for the =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D lesson. Always nice to have =
someone explain how others do things versus what is familiar to =
ourselves. What can you tell me about the body numbers? Do all =
Z=E2=80=99s have one or only the Varitones? Mine is something like 7595. =
I have to dig out some paperwork to find it as the problem painter =
failed to mask the number plate and it is very hard to decipher a number =
in its current state. I=E2=80=99m torn between leaving it as is or =
sanding the paint off to see the number. It is located on the =
driver=E2=80=99s side inner fender near the upper lip about 2 feet =
from the builder=E2=80=99s plate.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> =
Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> =
John</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>zmagnette-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:zmagnette-bounces=
@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Barrow<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'List for the Z =
Magnette Group - North America'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG =
Roster</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Hi=
John</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>&n=
bsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Yo=
u are correct in that they are monocoque however you are incorrect in =
that the British Industry Motor Heritage refers to the VIN number (the =
KAE=E2=80=A6 bit) is referred to as the Car/Chassis Number so in a sense =
Allen is completely correct.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>&n=
bsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Pa=
ul</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>&n=
bsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Pa=
ul Barrow</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>15=
3 Clemons Road</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Mo=
ntesano, WA 98563 USA</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>+1=
360 249 5123 Landline</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>+1=
360 500 9389 Cell phone</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>+1=
360 249 3776 Fax</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><a=
=
href=3D"mailto:Paul.Barrow@centurytel.net";>Paul.Barrow@centurytel.net</a>=
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>zmagnette-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:zmagnette-bounces=
@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Park<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'List for the Z =
Magnette Group - North America'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG =
Roster</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>There is no chassis it=E2=80=99s a monocoque. Do you mean the serial =
number for the car or the body number? I=E2=80=99m not sure if =
it=E2=80=99s only Varitones that have body numbers or if they all have a =
body number. Maybe we should do engine numbers too? Just some more =
thoughts/questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>zmagnette-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:zmagnette-bounces=
@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allen Bachelder<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z =
Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG =
Roster</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Something =
just occurred to me - it's a question that can be answered in three ways =
as I see it: should we include chassis numbers in the roster? We =
can say yes, no, or leave it up to the members. Granted that =
NAMGAR does the registration aspects of ZMG, but on occasion it might be =
handy and/or fun to have our own casual records. Maybe, for =
example, we'll discover we have some sequentially-related cars. More =
seriously, we may discover some subtle mid-model changes that affect =
technical concerns. I'll propose that each of us can pursue this =
at his/her option, unless Mike finds a glitch in being able to include =
this in the data. It would be neat to be able to search our cars by =
chassis number. If the data is available in the roster, Mike need do =
nothing more, a member can simply import the data to an Excel file, =
allowing one to organize and search by chassis number. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This may be of little concern to most of us. If so, a =
modest response will tell the story and I'll let it go. It's no =
big deal...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Allen<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>****************************************************************</span>=
</i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>Allen & Florrie Bachelder =
=3Diii=3D<<br>Spring Creek Home for Wayward =
MGs</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 =
B/GT</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'>North Street, MI 48049, =
USA</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black=
'><a =
href=3D"http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs";>http://www.mgexperie=
nce.net/member/bachldrs</a></span></i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div=
><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><d=
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class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Nov 27, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mike wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Howdy all,<br><br>That's a darn good =
idea, updating the Roster. The last version came out in July, so we're =
about due for a new one.<br><br>But I've been lax, and haven't gathered =
any info from most of the new members since July So, if you joined in =
the past half year, or you're an old-timer that never subscribed to the =
Roster, send me your info now. Here's what can go into it:<br><br>Your =
first name, middle initial, and last name.<br>Your SO's first & last =
name. (SO's don't get middle initials - no one has ever asked for =
that.)<br>Address: Street, city, state/province, postal code, =
country.<br>Up to two phone numbers<br>Email address<br>Special-interest =
cars (no 2010 Toyota Camrys, e.g.)<br>Services =
provided<br>Comments<br><br>Cars are recorded like so: Year, Make, =
Model, Color, Status<br><br>Colors are shown exterior w/ interior. For =
two-tone cars, it's exterior top/exterior bottom w/ interior. For an =
example, here's the entry for my car, an Old English White over Birch =
Grey Varitone with maroon interior:<br><br>Year: 1958 Make: MG =
Model: ZBV Color: OEW/Birch grey w/ maroon Status: =
Always a driver<br><br>You don't have to worry about the formatting; =
I'll take care of that.<br><br>For Services, people tend to write about =
help they can provide. Entries range from "Tools, some parts, can =
come out & help, limited garage space." to "Cold beer on =
hand at all times."<br><br>Comments can be anything else you'd care =
to add.<br><br>And it's all optional. One person just has his name, =
email address, and the line for his Magnette. Other people include all =
their special-interest cars (we don't list motorcycles or =
"regular" cars) and some history.<br><br>If you haven't =
already, send me your info now, while we're all still thinking of it, =
and I'll send out an updated roster next month.<br><br>Let me know at <a =
href=3D"mailto:mikesmuseum@yahoo.com";>mikesmuseum@yahoo.com</a> if you =
have any questions. Please don't reply to the group and spam =
everyone.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Mike =
Jacobsen<br><br>--------------------------------------------<br>On Wed, =
11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>bachldrs@comcast.net</a>> =
wrote:<br><br>Subject: [Zmagnette] New Member<br>To: =
"zmagnette" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>>=
, "John Taft" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jtaft89@gmail.com";>jtaft89@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: =
Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:03 PM<br><br>Everybody... <br>... =
Mike updates the roster twice a year and perhaps he can remind us when =
the next revision is coming out. =
....<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Zmagnette =
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