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Re: [Shop-talk] Frost heater/freeze plug

To: Donald H Locker <dhlocker@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Frost heater/freeze plug
From: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:41:12 -0600
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That's exactly what the instructions say--right rear of the engine.

So you're thinking "plug" doesn't mean a freeze or expansion plug but
rather just a threaded port into the coolant jacket?

That would make more sense to me.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:35 AM Donald H Locker <dhlocker@comcast.net>
wrote:

> I would look for a threaded plug into the coolant jacket in a shop
> manual. I remember planning to buy a block heater for my wife's Scion
> and the instructions actually had a drawing of where the plug was (in
> this case it was above the intake manifold in an "odd" location.)
>
> In any case, if they are talking about threading into a plug, it isn't
> going into a core plug hole, which are smooth. (No reason to thread it;
> that just costs money.) I read somewhere that the port is in the "rear
> right position" so passenger side of the engine, toward the firewall.
> (If I find more, I'll followup.)
>
> Donald.
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> On 2021-01-14 12:20 p.m., Scott Hall wrote:
> > This is mostly theory.
> >
> > One of my staff wants to stick a frost heater in his car--it's a Kia
> > with a 3.3L engine (though I don't think that matters for the question).
> >
> > Since he thinks I'm a car guy--which in his head means I know everything
> > about all cars--he's asking for help.
> >
> > He brought in the instructions and the heater itself. The instructions
> > are pretty simple: drain coolant, "remove plug" (quotes mine--it just
> > says "plug", so I'm assuming that's a freeze/expansion plug), screw in
> > heater, refill coolant, etc.
> >
> > The heater to install is threaded. It says to torque it to 30 lb. ft.
> >
> > The plug he's removing probably isn't...I'd think.
> >
> > Obviously without rolling under the car, who knows? But I'm tempted to
> > tell him to not start--the only way I know to remove a freeze plug is to
> > drill a hole in it, then pull it out with something. If there are no
> > threads behind it--and I can't imagine that a press-in freeze plug
> > presses in to a threaded hole--then he's just going to need a new freeze
> > plug to reinstall.
> >
> > So I guess my questions to the list are:
> >
> > 1) anyone ever see a threaded freeze plug? That would seem to defeat the
> > whole purpose of allowing it to pop out.
> >
> > 2) anyone ever see threads behind a freeze plug? Perhaps the plug
> > presses into a smooth port, and there are threads behind it?
> >
> > We called the manufacturer who confirmed that the part number is
> > correct. It's used on several models so they couldn't say for sure other
> > than, "it'll work". I'd hate to see this kid pull out a freeze plug then
> > be screwed.
> >
> > YouTube similarly has nothing relevant.
> >
> > Anybody have any experience with this before I just have him drive over
> > and roll under the car to see what I'm looking at?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s exactly what the instructions say--right rear o=
f the engine.<div><br></div><div>So you&#39;re thinking &quot;plug&quot; do=
esn&#39;t mean a freeze or expansion plug but rather just a threaded port i=
nto the coolant jacket?</div><div><br></div><div>That would make more sense=
 to me.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:35 AM Donald H Locker &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:dhlocker@comcast.net";>dhlocker@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I would look for a thr=
eaded plug into the coolant jacket in a shop<br>
manual. I remember planning to buy a block heater for my wife&#39;s Scion<b=
r>
and the instructions actually had a drawing of where the plug was (in<br>
this case it was above the intake manifold in an &quot;odd&quot; location.)=
<br>
<br>
In any case, if they are talking about threading into a plug, it isn&#39;t<=
br>
going into a core plug hole, which are smooth. (No reason to thread it;<br>
that just costs money.) I read somewhere that the port is in the &quot;rear=
<br>
right position&quot; so passenger side of the engine, toward the firewall.<=
br>
(If I find more, I&#39;ll followup.)<br>
<br>
Donald.<br>
--<br>
*Plain Text* email -- it&#39;s an accessibility issue<br>
() no proprietary attachments; no html mail<br>
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" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.georgedillon.com/web/htm=
l_email_is_evil.shtml</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
On 2021-01-14 12:20 p.m., Scott Hall wrote:<br>
&gt; This is mostly theory.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; One of my staff wants to stick a frost heater in his car--it&#39;s a K=
ia<br>
&gt; with a 3.3L engine (though I don&#39;t think that matters for the ques=
tion).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Since he thinks I&#39;m a car guy--which in his head means I know ever=
ything<br>
&gt; about all cars--he&#39;s asking for help.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; He brought in the instructions=C2=A0and the heater itself. The instruc=
tions<br>
&gt; are pretty simple: drain coolant, &quot;remove plug&quot; (quotes mine=
--it just<br>
&gt; says &quot;plug&quot;, so I&#39;m assuming that&#39;s a freeze/expansi=
on plug), screw in<br>
&gt; heater, refill coolant, etc.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The heater to install is threaded. It says to torque it to 30 lb. ft.<=
br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The plug he&#39;s removing probably isn&#39;t...I&#39;d think.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Obviously without rolling under the car, who knows? But I&#39;m tempte=
d to<br>
&gt; tell him to not start--the only way I know to remove a freeze plug is =
to<br>
&gt; drill a hole in it, then pull it out with something. If there are no<b=
r>
&gt; threads behind it--and I can&#39;t imagine that a press-in freeze plug=
<br>
&gt; presses in to a threaded hole--then he&#39;s just going to need a new =
freeze<br>
&gt; plug to reinstall.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; So I guess my questions to the list are:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 1) anyone ever see a threaded freeze plug? That would seem to defeat t=
he<br>
&gt; whole purpose of allowing it to pop out.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 2) anyone ever see threads behind a freeze plug? Perhaps the plug<br>
&gt; presses into a smooth port, and there are threads behind it?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; We called the manufacturer who confirmed that the part number is<br>
&gt; correct. It&#39;s used on several models so they couldn&#39;t say for =
sure other<br>
&gt; than, &quot;it&#39;ll work&quot;. I&#39;d hate to see this kid pull ou=
t a freeze plug then<br>
&gt; be screwed.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; YouTube similarly has nothing relevant.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Anybody have any experience with this before I just have him drive ove=
r<br>
&gt; and roll under the car to see what I&#39;m looking at?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
<br>
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