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Not a new car problem. My 1977 F150 with a 351M drains oil all over the fro=
nt crossmember. I went with the oil valve with a nipple for some vinyl tube=
. Works great and I can do it hot without burning myself.
Brian Warrick
Nampa, ID
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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jimmie Mayf=
ield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org>
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 8:50 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oil plugs, WHY?
FWIW, my 06 4Runner has a vertical drain plug that's recessed and protected=
by a skid plate.
You might consider installing a Fumoto-style drain plug valve. I haven't i=
nstalled one yet but lots of people seem to swear by them. They'll let you=
connect a hose to drain the oil directly into your drain pan.
OK, this is half vent and half "can someone explain why the heck do they do=
this to us?"
I notice that just about EVERY modern's car drain plug drains horizontally =
and not vertically (where the plug come straight down from the bottom of th=
e oil pan.) This make's oil changes SO much harder and messier.
Then, I've even seen (2018 Ford F150) where it has a frame rail right in fr=
ont of the oil hole and it splashes the nearly 2 GALLONS of oil everywhere.=
Then, the oil filter has a 'slide' under it to redirect the oil to the fr=
ont of the frame, which is nice, EXCEPT that it doesn't go all the way back=
to under the oil filter! This means that some oil drips under the oil fil=
ter while more drips in front of the frame rail about 2 feet away (meaning =
no single oil pan can catch both.) I'm seeing this in more and more cars t=
hat have stupid oil drains.
Now I get that engines are sometime designed in a vacuum and the frame buil=
ders don't care what is in the way, but it just seems that for optimal oil =
changes, a plug should be at the bottom of the pan. With all the environme=
ntal concerns, I would also imagine that any way to prevent oil spills and =
splashes would be ideal.
Can anyone explain this? Or is it just a case of designers really HATE mec=
hanics?
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational b=
eing are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo=
Emerson
-Who is John Galt?
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<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">FWIW, my 06 4Runner has a vertical drain p=
lug that's recessed and protected by a skid plate.
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<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">You might consider installing a Fumoto-sty=
le drain plug valve. I haven't installed one yet but lots of people s=
eem to swear by them. They'll let you connect a hose to drain the oil=
directly into your drain pan.<br>
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<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 1/4/21 08:14, <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-lin=
k-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com";>
eric@megageek.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">OK, this is =
half vent and half "can someone explain why the heck do they do this t=
o us?"</font>
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<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I notice that just about EVERY modern'=
s car drain plug drains horizontally and not vertically (where the plug com=
e straight down from the bottom of the oil pan.) This make's oil chan=
ges SO much harder and messier.</font>
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<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Then, I've even seen (2018 Ford F150) =
where it has a frame rail right in front of the oil hole and it splashes th=
e nearly 2 GALLONS of oil everywhere. Then, the oil filter has a 'sli=
de' under it to redirect the oil to the front
of the frame, which is nice, EXCEPT that it doesn't go all the way back to=
under the oil filter! This means that some oil drips under the oil f=
ilter while more drips in front of the frame rail about 2 feet away (meanin=
g no single oil pan can catch both.)
I'm seeing this in more and more cars that have stupid oil drains.</=
font> <br>
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<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Now I get that engines are sometime de=
signed in a vacuum and the frame builders don't care what is in the way, bu=
t it just seems that for optimal oil changes, a plug should be at the botto=
m of the pan. With all the environmental
concerns, I would also imagine that any way to prevent oil spills and spla=
shes would be ideal.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Can anyone explain this? Or is i=
t just a case of designers really HATE mechanics?</font>
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<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
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"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a ratio=
nal being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." R=
alph Waldo Emerson
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-Who is John Galt?</font> <br>
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