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I have a couple of these - the USA-made original Form-A-Funnel. They make
almost any drain plug work just fine, and are incredibly durable.
https://formafunnel.com/
I also install the Fumoto oil drain valves on my cars, which also makes a
huge difference. One can get versions with a nipple, which allows for the
attachment of a hose to direct the output wherever you'd like.
http://www.fumotousa.com/index.php
-Peter
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On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 9:35 AM old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, that is what NAPA says:
>
>
> http://knowhow.napaonline.com/understanding-oil-drain-plug/#:~:text=3DThe=
%20plug%20isn't%20always,a%20speed%20bump%20or%20pothole
> .
>
> *The plug isn=E2=80=99t always located on the bottom side of the pan. In =
fact,
> you=E2=80=99ll most often find it attached to the side, where it=E2=80=99=
s better protected
> from damage that could arise from scraping against a speed bump or
> pothole. *
>
>
> I could conjecture also that having them on the side perhaps makes them
> more readily visible if you are sliding under the car on a creeper, easie=
r
> to get a socket on, less likely to strip, etc.
>
> best,
>
> doug
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:23 AM Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I think they are horizontal for extra protection against ground impact.
>> If they stuck out the bottom and you went off road or drove over a concr=
ete
>> stop in a parking lot, an oil drain plug could take a direct impact and
>> perhaps have greater damage than hitting a frame rail or suspension bit.
>>
>> I share your frustration with the oil filter location from my Honda
>> Odyssey. Changing the filter caused oil to come down directly on the fr=
ame
>> rail. My solution was to take a foot square of alluminum foil and make =
my
>> own deflection device to catch all the oil and direct it to the drain pa=
n.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On 1/4/2021 5:14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
>>
>> OK, this is half vent and half "can someone explain why the heck do they
>> do this to us?"
>>
>> I notice that just about EVERY modern's car drain plug drains
>> horizontally and not vertically (where the plug come straight down from =
the
>> bottom of the oil pan.) This make's oil changes SO much harder and mess=
ier.
>>
>> Then, I've even seen (2018 Ford F150) where it has a frame rail right in
>> front of the oil hole and it splashes the nearly 2 GALLONS of oil
>> everywhere. Then, the oil filter has a 'slide' under it to redirect the
>> oil to the front of the frame, which is nice, EXCEPT that it doesn't go =
all
>> the way back to under the oil filter! This means that some oil drips un=
der
>> the oil filter while more drips in front of the frame rail about 2 feet
>> away (meaning no single oil pan can catch both.) I'm seeing this in mor=
e
>> and more cars that have stupid oil drains.
>>
>> Now I get that engines are sometime designed in a vacuum and the frame
>> builders don't care what is in the way, but it just seems that for optim=
al
>> oil changes, a plug should be at the bottom of the pan. With all the
>> environmental concerns, I would also imagine that any way to prevent oil
>> spills and splashes would be ideal.
>>
>> Can anyone explain this? Or is it just a case of designers really HATE
>> mechanics?
>>
>>
>> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rationa=
l
>> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph
>> Waldo Emerson
>> -Who is John Galt?
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have a couple of these - the USA-made original Form-A-Fu=
nnel. They make almost any drain plug work just fine, and are incredibly du=
rable.<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://formafunnel.com/";>https://form=
afunnel.com/</a><div><br></div><div>I also install the Fumoto oil drain val=
ves on my cars, which also makes a huge=C2=A0difference. One can get versio=
ns with a nipple, which allows for the attachment of a hose to direct the o=
utput wherever you'd like.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.fumotousa.com/index.php">http://www.fumotousa.com/index.php</a><br></div=
><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div><div>-</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 9=
:35 AM old dirtbeard <<a href=3D"mailto:dirtbeard@gmail.com";>dirtbeard@g=
mail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, that is what NAPA says:<div><br></div><div><a=
href=3D"http://knowhow.napaonline.com/understanding-oil-drain-plug/#:~:tex=
t=3DThe%20plug%20isn't%20always,a%20speed%20bump%20or%20pothole" target=
=3D"_blank">http://knowhow.napaonline.com/understanding-oil-drain-plug/#:~:=
text=3DThe%20plug%20isn't%20always,a%20speed%20bump%20or%20pothole</a>.=
<br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:=
0px"><div><i><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;=
font-variant-ligatures:no-discretionary-ligatures">The plug isn=E2=80=99t a=
lways located on the bottom side of the pan. In fact, you=E2=80=99ll most o=
ften find it attached to the side, where it=E2=80=99s better protected from=
damage that could arise from scraping against a speed bump or pothole.</sp=
an>=C2=A0=C2=A0</i></div></blockquote><br><div>I could conjecture also that=
having them on the side perhaps makes them more readily visible if you are=
sliding under the car on a creeper, easier to get a socket on, less likely=
to strip, etc.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>doug</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:23 AM Brian Kemp <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:bk13@earthlink.net" target=3D"_blank">bk13@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div>
I think they are horizontal for extra protection against ground
impact.=C2=A0 If they stuck out the bottom and you went off road or dro=
ve
over a concrete stop in a parking lot, an oil drain plug could take
a direct impact and perhaps have greater damage than hitting a frame
rail or suspension bit.<br>
<br>
I share your frustration with the oil filter location from my Honda
Odyssey.=C2=A0 Changing the filter caused oil to come down directly on
the frame rail.=C2=A0 My solution was to take a foot square of alluminu=
m
foil and make my own deflection device to catch all the oil and
direct it to the drain pan.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<div>On 1/4/2021 5:14 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.com</a>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">OK, this is half vent and half
"can
someone explain why the heck do they do this to us?"</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I notice that just about EVERY
modern's
car drain plug drains horizontally and not vertically (where the
plug come
straight down from the bottom of the oil pan.) =C2=A0This make'=
s oil
changes
SO much harder and messier.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Then, I've even seen (2018 F=
ord
F150)
where it has a frame rail right in front of the oil hole and it
splashes
the nearly 2 GALLONS of oil everywhere.=C2=A0 Then, the oil filter
has
a 'slide' under it to redirect the oil to the front of the
frame, which
is nice, EXCEPT that it doesn't go all the way back to under th=
e
oil filter!
=C2=A0This means that some oil drips under the oil filter while mor=
e
drips
in front of the frame rail about 2 feet away (meaning no single
oil pan
can catch both.) =C2=A0I'm seeing this in more and more cars th=
at
have
stupid oil drains.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Now I get that engines are
sometime
designed in a vacuum and the frame builders don't care what is
in the way,
but it just seems that for optimal oil changes, a plug should be
at the
bottom of the pan.=C2=A0 With all the environmental concerns, I wou=
ld
also
imagine that any way to prevent oil spills and splashes would be
ideal.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Can anyone explain this?=C2=A0 O=
r is
it just a case of designers really HATE mechanics?</font>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
<br>
"Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as=
a
rational
being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory.&quo=
t;
Ralph
Waldo Emerson <br>
-Who is John Galt?</font>
<br>
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