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To: Philip Gott <vfracing@aol.com>, Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>, bill@ponostyle.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Key question
From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2026 15:24:38 -0800 (PST)
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I tore down an engine with the same type of crank failure.  Front bearing c=
ap broken too.=20
I recently passed the block to someone that needed one and found a spare fr=
ont cap that seemed to fit perfectly.  Of course, I suggested a line bore/h=
one. =20
=20
I have a number of spare caps, if anyone ever happens to need one.=20
=20
My stash of spare blocks is being depleated. =20
=20
Dave H.=20

> On 02/08/2026 1:39 PM PST Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> In fairness to our beloved cars, a billet crank may have made things wors=
e in this case. Number 1 cylinder cracked catastrophically, the cylinder hy=
dro locked and the rest is history=E2=80=A6
> Block was spared but number one bearing cap cracked as well.  Had a bille=
t crank been in there I could have lost the head and/or block as well as th=
e crank!=20
> I used the picture for everyone=E2=80=99s amusement.
> Phil
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 8, 2026, at 2:49=E2=80=AFPM, bill@ponostyle.com wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
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> > Oof, I=E2=80=99ve seen that before IRL not just a picture. The worst ev=
er was an engine from a Jag 420 (a genuine piece O=E2=80=99 crap except for=
 the lovely dashboard). The engine was running, but when I took it apart th=
e crank came out in six pieces. The transmission made the engine look primo=
. I guess it=E2=80=99s buyer beware when you buy a Jag for 1000 bux.=20
> > Bill
> >=20
> >=20
> > > On Feb 8, 2026, at 06:41, vfracing--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
> > > =20
> > > Moldex and Marine Crankshaft
> > > =20
> > > On Sunday, February 8, 2026 at 09:52:19 AM EST, Bert Brown <moosehd2@=
pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Not that I=E2=80=99m in the market right now but who is making billet=
 cranks for our cars at this time?   Thanks.=20
> > > =20
> > > Bert Brown
> > > GP90
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> > > > On Feb 8, 2026, at 4:31=E2=80=AFAM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > =20
> > > Thank you, everyone! Everyone seems to agree this is a good idea. Com=
bining the single key with the Miata taper is an added plus (thanks, Joe).
> > > As has been said many times before, this is a great group. The willin=
gness to share info to help keep these cars on the track is a real bonus fo=
r all.
> > > See you at Mosport!
> > > Phil
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > On Feb 6, 2026, at 7:28=E2=80=AFPM, Joe Boruch <jaboruch@yahoo.com>=
 wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > =20
> > > > Phil, Miatas use a single long woodruff key that is tapered at one =
end.  Just need to make sure that when assembling that the taper is on the =
inside and facing the crank to match the taper in the keyway.  Some engine =
builders have gotten this wrong with not so good results.  Attached is a pi=
c of the Miata omne.  JoeB
> > > > <1770424069735blob.jpg>
> > > > =20
> > > > On Friday, February 6, 2026 at 12:55:20 PM EST, Philip Gott via Fot=
 <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > Hi all;
> > > > I=E2=80=99m thinking of ordering a billet crankshaft.  Am wondering=
 if anyone has had one made with a single long keyway in the nose instead o=
f two woodruff keys. Are there any durability/stress riser/fatigue  or othe=
r downside issues with a long single keyway? It would make assembly of the =
front pulley onto the crank so much easier if/when it has to be done in the=
 car (which we=E2=80=99ve had to do several times).
> > > > Phil
> > > > =20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I tore down an =
engine with the same type of crank failure.&nbsp; Front bearing cap broken =
too.&nbsp;</span>
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tica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I recently pass=
ed the block to someone that needed one and found a spare front cap that se=
emed to fit perfectly.&nbsp; Of course, I suggested a line bore/hone.&nbsp;=
&nbsp;</span>
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tica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I have a number=
 of spare caps, if anyone ever happens to need one.&nbsp;</span>
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tica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">My stash of spa=
re blocks is being depleated.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Dave H.&nbsp;</=
span>
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    On 02/08/2026 1:39 PM PST Philip Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt=
; wrote:
   </div>=20
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    &nbsp;
   </div>=20
   <div>
    &nbsp;
   </div> In fairness to our beloved cars, a billet crank may have made thi=
ngs worse in this case. Number 1 cylinder cracked catastrophically, the cyl=
inder hydro locked and the rest is history=E2=80=A6=20
   <div>
    Block was spared but number one bearing cap cracked as well. &nbsp;Had =
a billet crank been in there I could have lost the head and/or block as wel=
l as the crank!&nbsp;
   </div>=20
   <div>
    I used the picture for everyone=E2=80=99s amusement.
   </div>=20
   <div>
    Phil
   </div>=20
   <div>
    <br>=20
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      Sent from my iPhone
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       On Feb 8, 2026, at 2:49=E2=80=AFPM, bill@ponostyle.com wrote:
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       Oof, I=E2=80=99ve seen that before IRL not just a picture. The worst=
 ever was an engine from a Jag 420 (a genuine piece O=E2=80=99 crap except =
for the lovely dashboard). The engine was running, but when I took it apart=
 the crank came out in six pieces. The transmission made the engine look pr=
imo. I guess it=E2=80=99s buyer beware when you buy a Jag for 1000 bux.&nbs=
p;=20
       <div>
        Bill
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           On Feb 8, 2026, at 06:41, vfracing--- via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team=
.net&gt; wrote:
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              &nbsp;
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              Moldex and Marine Crankshaft
             </div>=20
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              &nbsp;
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            </div>=20
            <div id=3D"yahoo_quoted_0822378697" class=3D"yahoo_quoted">=20
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                On Sunday, February 8, 2026 at 09:52:19 AM EST, Bert Brown =
&lt;moosehd2@pacbell.net&gt; wrote:
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                   &nbsp;
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                   Not that I=E2=80=99m in the market right now but who is =
making billet cranks for our cars at this time? &nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp;
                  </div>=20
                  <div dir=3D"ltr">
                   &nbsp;
                  </div>=20
                  <div dir=3D"ltr">
                   Bert Brown
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                   GP90
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                     On Feb 8, 2026, at 4:31=E2=80=AFAM, Philip Gott via Fo=
t &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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                   Thank you, everyone! Everyone seems to agree this is a g=
ood idea. Combining the single key with the Miata taper is an added plus (t=
hanks, Joe).=20
                   <div>
                    As has been said many times before, this is a great gro=
up. The willingness to share info to help keep these cars on the track is a=
 real bonus for all.
                   </div>=20
                   <div>
                    See you at Mosport!
                   </div>=20
                   <div>
                    Phil
                    <br id=3D"yiv3417187971lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"=
 clear=3D"none">=20
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                     Sent from my iPhone
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                      On Feb 6, 2026, at 7:28=E2=80=AFPM, Joe Boruch &lt;ja=
boruch@yahoo.com&gt; wrote:
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                        Phil, Miatas use a single long woodruff key that is=
 tapered at one end. &nbsp;Just need to make sure that when assembling that=
 the taper is on the inside and facing the crank to match the taper in the =
keyway. &nbsp;Some engine builders have gotten this wrong with not so good =
results. &nbsp;Attached is a pic of the Miata omne. &nbsp;JoeB
                       </div>=20
                       <div dir=3D"ltr">=20
                        <div>
                         &lt;1770424069735blob.jpg&gt;
                        </div>=20
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                        &nbsp;
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                        <div>
                         On Friday, February 6, 2026 at 12:55:20 PM EST, Ph=
ilip Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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                         &nbsp;
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                          Hi all;
                         </div>=20
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                          I=E2=80=99m thinking of ordering a billet cranksh=
aft.&nbsp; Am wondering if anyone has had one made with a single long keywa=
y in the nose instead of two woodruff keys. Are there any durability/stress=
 riser/fatigue&nbsp; or other downside issues with a long single keyway? It=
 would make assembly of the front pulley onto the crank so much easier if/w=
hen it has to be done in the car (which we=E2=80=99ve had to do several tim=
es).
                         </div>=20
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                          Phil
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