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<< This pre-loaded spring setup does not result in "infinite rate" when rea=
ching the travel limit or droop, but in extension or downward wheel travel,=
does result in 0 lbf change per 0 inches of deflection. >>
Yes, that might be a better way of putting it. This is the other side of t=
he coin from hitting the bump stop. As the axles droop, there is SOME amou=
nt of spring pressure pushing the tires into the track (or the shoulders of=
the tires, possibly, depending on how long your cable is). But when you h=
it the end of the "leash", there is suddenly NO spring pressure. I was won=
dering if that sudden change from some to none would upset the car at all. =
Evidently not.
Rocky must be a very smooth driver :-)
Scott (B.)
From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Anthony Parker via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 5:54 PM
To: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] in search of
This is a very interesting setup and discussion.
Formula VEEs, especially the later "zero roll" designs have elastomeric puc=
ks in the droop limiters to ease the shock on rebound. Might not be worth t=
he complexity in the Spitfire.
I would love to see a back to back experiment between this setup and one wi=
th very short dampers which limited the droop to the same degree as the cab=
le system we're discussing. I think a large question now is, with the stati=
c camber of this setup, whether jacking and tuck-under still prevail, or is=
cornering squat possible? If cornering squat is possible, then the cable a=
nd inside spring are exacerbating it, but this may be ok if the body rolls =
enough.
This pre-loaded spring setup does not result in "infinite rate" when reachi=
ng the travel limit or droop, but in extension or downward wheel travel, do=
es result in 0 lbf change per 0 inches of deflection. This, however, does =
not mean that the rear tire contact patch sees zero force from the ground. =
Here, steady state breaking potential for the rear axle will be limited by=
contact patch shape/size and forward weight transfer. Certainly, droop lim=
iting to zero degrees camber will result in the best contact patch and may =
reduce forward weight transfer because the C.G. may remain lower in this se=
tup than one with the rear spring helping to lift the rear of the car.
________________________________
et>>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 5:12 PM
lto:quikrx@yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] in search of
What I meant by "infinite spring rate" is, based on my understanding of the=
system you're describing, the condition when both rear axles droop and hit=
the end of the cable "leash". As I understand it, you essentially had bot=
h rear axles hanging from a single cable that slid from side to side under =
cornering loads but, under braking, with both axles traveling downward at t=
he same time, would be arrested by hitting the end of that cable "leash". =
Am I understanding the setup correctly? I would think that would be simila=
r to having a leaf spring hit the bump stop and going from whatever the spr=
ing rate is to *no* spring, or "infinite spring rate".
I asked because I considered creating a similar system once for my Spit rac=
er, as well as for my dad's swing axle GT6 racer, but wanted either to add =
a spring in the middle of the cable or to run the cable over a spring-loade=
d central pully of some sort - just to ease the transition from normal spri=
ng operation to full leash arrest. Maybe that wouldn't be necessary?
Scott (B.)
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 3:05 PM
quikrx@yahoo.com>>
Subject: RE: [Fot] in search of
Yes, it caused no trouble for me. Neither road racing nor autocrossing. Ess=
entially no droop. And FWIW, on numerous occasions when other people have d=
riven my car, they often commented on how well it handled. Very neutral. I =
never did the turnbuckle thing on mine
Originally it had a limited slip diff, but I finally wore that thing out. R=
eplaced with a welded-up rear. It was even better, tighter. (But harder to =
push around in the paddock.) I usually had a 4:55, best for autocrossing an=
d most MiDiv tracks. Originally it had a 4:11 but I haven't used that for d=
ecades. Borrowed a 3:89 to do the 2011 Runoffs at Road America.
Not sure what you mean by "infinite spring rate." The only spring is the tr=
ansverse springs over the top of the diff (and I still had the stock spring=
!). When I went to do a straight-line stop, it stopped. In a straight line.=
It would trail brake nicely and predictably, with both tires on the ground=
. As long as I didn't run out of talent and screw up the braking, upsetting=
the balance.
--Rocky
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 2:30 PM
lto:quikrx@yahoo.com>>
Subject: RE: [Fot] in search of
It must work great or you wouldn't have used it so successfully for 40 year=
s, but...when under straight line braking, when the droop get arrested by t=
he cable, doesn't it go from whatever the spring's rate is instantly to inf=
inite spring rate? Am I understanding that correctly? And that change cau=
sed no trouble for you?
Scott (B.)
n Behalf Of rocky spitfire4.com via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] in search of
Are we talking the camber compensator for the Spitfire that has a middle mo=
unting bolted to the bottom three bolts of the differential?
The scariest moment I ever had in my 1964 Spitfire, back when it was my dai=
ly driver (ca. 1967), was when my diff locked up as I was passing a semi on=
I-35 in Kansas City. I barely got the car over to the shoulder without get=
ting run over, then spent six hours on the roadside waiting for AAA to send=
me a tow truck! (That's when I decided not to renew my AAA membership, but=
I digress).
Turned out the middle mounting on that camber compensator had broken off th=
e sections on the two end bolts because of the constant flexing on it, so o=
nly the middle bolt was holding it in place. The constant action on that on=
e bolt eventually made the round bolt hole oval shaped, and all the diff fl=
uid drained out. A dry diff really doesn't work all that well.
I drove the car without a CC for a few years, then gave it to my brother (w=
ho's a mechanic) to turn into a race car, He came up with a solution which =
I understand originated with Volkswagen owners to address the Beetle's swin=
g-axle issues.
He tied a cable to the bottom shock mount, ran it up to a pulley attached t=
o the top shock mount, then across to the same setup on the other side.
[A diagram of a shock bolt AI-generated content may be incorrect.]
The biggest modification was to take that big bolt at the top of the shock,=
drill and tap it through the head to take a shouldered 1/4-inch bolt which=
becomes the hub for the pulley. Not shown, a simple retainer over the top =
of the pulley to prevent the cable from jumping off.
He did that in 1971. He raced the car for three years, then I got it back a=
nd raced and autocrossed it through 2011. In all that time, 40 years, I rep=
laced the cable just once.
Since it was going on a race car, we jacked the rear suspension as high as =
we could (filled the trunk with heavy stuff while the car was on jackstands=
, then sat someone in the trunk while we attached the cable) which both low=
ered the car and stiffened the ride. I later bought another '64 Spit as a s=
treet car and did the same trick, but let the suspension droop more so it w=
as softer for street use (I also didn't autocross that car). On that one I =
found a pulley that came with a shroud, didn't need the retainer.
It works as a camber compensator without that evil spring. The swing axle d=
oesn't swing any more. Both rear wheels remain constant with each other.
I've given this design to several other drivers. One came up with a clever =
trick - he cut an opening in the diff tunnel under the gas tank (which also=
provides nice access to the bolts holding the spring to the top of the dif=
f). Then he installed a turnbuckle in the cable at that location. Adjustabl=
e suspension! Cheap and easy. And IMHO safer.
-Rocky Entriken
n Behalf Of JOE CURRY via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] in search of
It has been that way for years. It became impossible for me to market them=
at the price that I knew was affordable for most Spitfire owners. Therein=
lies the rub!
Good luck.
Joe
On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 07:48:44 AM MST, ralph hansen via Fot <fot@a=
hello everyone,
I'm looking for a leaf spring manufacturer to make up about 25 single leaf =
springs. Preferably close to Milwaukee but just about anywhere might work. =
Must do good work and be reliable. These springs would be for the TR camber=
compensators. Doing some shopping around since one I've used has doubled t=
he cost in 5 years. Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Ralph
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><< </span><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This pr=
e-loaded spring setup does not result in "infinite rate" when rea=
ching the travel limit or droop, but in extension or downward wheel
travel, does result in 0 lbf change per 0 inches of deflection. </sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Yes, that might be =
a better way of putting it. This is the other side of the coin from h=
itting the bump stop. As the axles droop, there is SOME amount of spr=
ing pressure pushing the tires into the track
(or the shoulders of the tires, possibly, depending on how long your cable=
is). But when you hit the end of the “leash”, there is s=
uddenly NO spring pressure. I was wondering if that sudden change fro=
m some to none would upset the car at all. Evidently
not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Rocky must be a ver=
y smooth driver :-)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Scott (B.)<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team=
.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Parker via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 5:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] in search of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black">This is a very interesting setup and discussion.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black">Formula VEEs, especially the later "zero roll"=
designs have elastomeric pucks in the droop limiters to ease the shock on =
rebound. Might not be worth the complexity in the Spitfire.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black">I would love to see a back to back experiment between th=
is setup and one with very short dampers which limited the droop to the sam=
e degree as the cable system we're discussing.
I think a large question now is, with the static camber of this setup, whe=
ther jacking and tuck-under still prevail, or is cornering squat possi=
ble? If cornering squat is possible, then the cable and inside spring are e=
xacerbating it, but this may be ok if
the body rolls enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black">This pre-loaded spring setup does not result in "in=
finite rate" when reaching the travel limit or droop, but in extension=
or downward wheel travel, does result in 0 lbf change per
0 inches of deflection. This, however, does not mean that the rear t=
ire contact patch sees zero force from the ground. Here, steady state=
breaking potential for the rear axle will be limited by contact patch shap=
e/size and forward weight transfer. Certainly,
droop limiting to zero degrees camber will result in the best contact patc=
h and may reduce forward weight transfer because the C.G. may remain lower =
in this setup than one with the rear spring helping to lift the rear of the=
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Fot &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net<=
/a>>
on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"=
>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 5:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rocky spitfire4.com <<a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com";>r=
ocky@spitfire4.com</a>>; JOE CURRY <<a href=3D"mailto:spitlist@cox.ne=
t">spitlist@cox.net</a>>; FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.te=
am.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; ralph hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:quik=
rx@yahoo.com">quikrx@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] in search of</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">What I meant by &#=
8220;infinite spring rate” is, based on my understanding of the syste=
m you’re describing, the condition when both rear axles droop and hit=
the end of the cable “leash”. As I understand it, you
essentially had both rear axles hanging from a single cable that slid from=
side to side under cornering loads but, under braking, with both axles tra=
veling downward at the same time, would be arrested by hitting the end of t=
hat cable “leash”. Am I understanding
the setup correctly? I would think that would be similar to having a=
leaf spring hit the bump stop and going from whatever the spring rate is t=
o *<b>no</b>* spring, or “infinite spring rate”.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I asked because I =
considered creating a similar system once for my Spit racer, as well as for=
my dad’s swing axle GT6 racer, but wanted either to add a spring in =
the middle of the cable or to run the cable
over a spring-loaded central pully of some sort – just to ease the t=
ransition from normal spring operation to full leash arrest. Ma=
ybe that wouldn’t be necessary?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Scott (B.)</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> rocky spitfire4.com <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com";>rocky@spitfire4.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 3:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Barr, Scott <<a href=3D"mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com";>sbarr@M=
cCarty-Law.com</a>>; JOE CURRY <<a href=3D"mailto:spitlist@cox.net";>s=
pitlist@cox.net</a>>; FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; ralph hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:quikrx@y=
ahoo.com">quikrx@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Fot] in search of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Yes, it caused no =
trouble for me. Neither road racing nor autocrossing. Essentially no droop.=
And FWIW, on numerous occasions when other people have driven my car, they=
often commented on how well it handled.
Very neutral. I never did the turnbuckle thing on mine</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Originally it had =
a limited slip diff, but I finally wore that thing out. Replaced with a wel=
ded-up rear. It was even better, tighter. (But harder to push around in the=
paddock.) I usually had a 4:55, best
for autocrossing and most MiDiv tracks. Originally it had a 4:11 but I hav=
en’t used that for decades. Borrowed a 3:89 to do the 2011 Runoffs at=
Road America.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Not sure what you =
mean by “infinite spring rate.” The only spring is the transver=
se springs over the top of the diff (and I still had the stock spring!). Wh=
en I went to do a straight-line stop, it stopped.
In a straight line. It would trail brake nicely and predictably, with both=
tires on the ground. As long as I didn’t run out of talent and screw=
up the braking, upsetting the balance.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">--Rocky</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Barr, Scott <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com">sbarr@McCarty-Law.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 2:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rocky spitfire4.com <<a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com";>r=
ocky@spitfire4.com</a>>; JOE CURRY <<a href=3D"mailto:spitlist@cox.ne=
t">spitlist@cox.net</a>>; FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.te=
am.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; ralph hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:quik=
rx@yahoo.com">quikrx@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Fot] in search of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">It must work great=
or you wouldn’t have used it so successfully for 40 years, but…=
;when under straight line braking, when the droop get arrested by the cable=
, doesn’t it go from whatever the spring’s rate
is instantly to infinite spring rate? Am I understanding that correc=
tly? And that change caused no trouble for you?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Scott (B.)</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot=
-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>rocky spitfire4.com via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> JOE CURRY <<a href=3D"mailto:spitlist@cox.net";>spitlist@cox.n=
et</a>>; FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox=
.team.net</a>>; ralph hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:quikrx@yahoo.com";>qui=
krx@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] in search of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Are we talking the=
camber compensator for the Spitfire that has a middle mounting bolted to t=
he bottom three bolts of the differential?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The scariest momen=
t I ever had in my 1964 Spitfire, back when it was my daily driver (ca. 196=
7), was when my diff locked up as I was passing a semi on I-35 in Kansas Ci=
ty. I barely got the car over to the
shoulder without getting run over, then spent six hours on the roadside wa=
iting for AAA to send me a tow truck! (That’s when I decided not to r=
enew my AAA membership, but I digress).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Turned out the mid=
dle mounting on that camber compensator had broken off the sections on the =
two end bolts because of the constant flexing on it, so only the middle bol=
t was holding it in place. The constant
action on that one bolt eventually made the round bolt hole oval shaped, a=
nd all the diff fluid drained out. A dry diff really doesn’t work all=
that well.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I drove the car wi=
thout a CC for a few years, then gave it to my brother (who’s a mecha=
nic) to turn into a race car, He came up with a solution which I understand=
originated with Volkswagen owners to address
the Beetle’s swing-axle issues. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">He tied a cable to=
the bottom shock mount, ran it up to a pulley attached to the top shock mo=
unt, then across to the same setup on the other side.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"218" height=3D"178" styl=
e=3D"width:2.2708in;height:1.8541in" id=3D"x_Picture_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:im=
age001.jpg@01DB99C5.DC76ECB0" alt=3D"A diagram of a shock bolt=0A=
=0A=
AI-generated content may be incorrect."><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The biggest modifi=
cation was to take that big bolt at the top of the shock, drill and tap it =
through the head to take a shouldered 1/4-inch bolt which becomes the hub f=
or the pulley. Not shown, a simple retainer
over the top of the pulley to prevent the cable from jumping off. </span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">He did that in 197=
1. He raced the car for three years, then I got it back and raced and autoc=
rossed it through 2011. In all that time, 40 years, I replaced the cable ju=
st once.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Since it was going=
on a race car, we jacked the rear suspension as high as we could (filled t=
he trunk with heavy stuff while the car was on jackstands, then sat someone=
in the trunk while we attached the
cable) which both lowered the car and stiffened the ride. I later bought a=
nother ’64 Spit as a street car and did the same trick, but let the s=
uspension droop more so it was softer for street use (I also didn’t a=
utocross that car). On that one I found a pulley
that came with a shroud, didn’t need the retainer.</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">It works as a camb=
er compensator without that evil spring. The swing axle doesn’t swing=
any more. Both rear wheels remain constant with each other.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I’ve given t=
his design to several other drivers. One came up with a clever trick –=
; he cut an opening in the diff tunnel under the gas tank (which also provi=
des nice access to the bolts holding the spring
to the top of the diff). Then he installed a turnbuckle in the cable at th=
at location. Adjustable suspension! Cheap and easy. And IMHO safer.</span><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">—Rocky Entri=
ken</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot=
-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JOE CURRY via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 10:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.=
team.net</a>>; ralph hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:quikrx@yahoo.com";>quik=
rx@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] in search of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif">It has been that way for years. It became impossible for me=
to market them at the price that I knew was affordable for most Spitfire o=
wners. Therein lies the rub!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif">Good luck.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif">Joe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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ns-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 07:=
48:44 AM MST, ralph hansen via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">hello everyone,</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
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elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I'm looking for a leaf spring manu=
facturer to make up about 25 single leaf springs. Preferably close to Milwa=
ukee but just about anywhere might work. Must
do good work and be reliable. These springs would be for the TR camber com=
pensators. Doing some shopping around since one I've used has doubled the c=
ost in 5 years. Thanks in advance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Ralph </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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