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This is a very interesting setup and discussion.
Formula VEEs, especially the later "zero roll" designs have elastomeric puc=
ks in the droop limiters to ease the shock on rebound. Might not be worth t=
he complexity in the Spitfire.
I would love to see a back to back experiment between this setup and one wi=
th very short dampers which limited the droop to the same degree as the cab=
le system we're discussing. I think a large question now is, with the stati=
c camber of this setup, whether jacking and tuck-under still prevail, or is=
cornering squat possible? If cornering squat is possible, then the cable a=
nd inside spring are exacerbating it, but this may be ok if the body rolls =
enough.
This pre-loaded spring setup does not result in "infinite rate" when reachi=
ng the travel limit or droop, but in extension or downward wheel travel, do=
es result in 0 lbf change per 0 inches of deflection. This, however, does =
not mean that the rear tire contact patch sees zero force from the ground. =
Here, steady state breaking potential for the rear axle will be limited by=
contact patch shape/size and forward weight transfer. Certainly, droop lim=
iting to zero degrees camber will result in the best contact patch and may =
reduce forward weight transfer because the C.G. may remain lower in this se=
tup than one with the rear spring helping to lift the rear of the car.
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot <fo=
t@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 5:12 PM
To: rocky spitfire4.com <rocky@spitfire4.com>; JOE CURRY <spitlist@cox.net>=
; FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>; ralph hansen <quikrx@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] in search of
What I meant by =93infinite spring rate=94 is, based on my understanding of=
the system you=92re describing, the condition when both rear axles droop a=
nd hit the end of the cable =93leash=94. As I understand it, you essential=
ly had both rear axles hanging from a single cable that slid from side to s=
ide under cornering loads but, under braking, with both axles traveling dow=
nward at the same time, would be arrested by hitting the end of that cable =
=93leash=94. Am I understanding the setup correctly? I would think that w=
ould be similar to having a leaf spring hit the bump stop and going from wh=
atever the spring rate is to *no* spring, or =93infinite spring rate=94.
I asked because I considered creating a similar system once for my Spit rac=
er, as well as for my dad=92s swing axle GT6 racer, but wanted either to ad=
d a spring in the middle of the cable or to run the cable over a spring-loa=
ded central pully of some sort =96 just to ease the transition from normal =
spring operation to full leash arrest. Maybe that wouldn=92t be necessary=
?
Scott (B.)
From: rocky spitfire4.com <rocky@spitfire4.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 3:05 PM
To: Barr, Scott <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com>; JOE CURRY <spitlist@cox.net>; FOT =
Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>; ralph hansen <quikrx@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Fot] in search of
Yes, it caused no trouble for me. Neither road racing nor autocrossing. Ess=
entially no droop. And FWIW, on numerous occasions when other people have d=
riven my car, they often commented on how well it handled. Very neutral. I =
never did the turnbuckle thing on mine
Originally it had a limited slip diff, but I finally wore that thing out. R=
eplaced with a welded-up rear. It was even better, tighter. (But harder to =
push around in the paddock.) I usually had a 4:55, best for autocrossing an=
d most MiDiv tracks. Originally it had a 4:11 but I haven=92t used that for=
decades. Borrowed a 3:89 to do the 2011 Runoffs at Road America.
Not sure what you mean by =93infinite spring rate.=94 The only spring is th=
e transverse springs over the top of the diff (and I still had the stock sp=
ring!). When I went to do a straight-line stop, it stopped. In a straight l=
ine. It would trail brake nicely and predictably, with both tires on the gr=
ound. As long as I didn=92t run out of talent and screw up the braking, ups=
etting the balance.
--Rocky
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 2:30 PM
lto:quikrx@yahoo.com>>
Subject: RE: [Fot] in search of
It must work great or you wouldn=92t have used it so successfully for 40 ye=
ars, but=85when under straight line braking, when the droop get arrested by=
the cable, doesn=92t it go from whatever the spring=92s rate is instantly =
to infinite spring rate? Am I understanding that correctly? And that chan=
ge caused no trouble for you?
Scott (B.)
n Behalf Of rocky spitfire4.com via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] in search of
Are we talking the camber compensator for the Spitfire that has a middle mo=
unting bolted to the bottom three bolts of the differential?
The scariest moment I ever had in my 1964 Spitfire, back when it was my dai=
ly driver (ca. 1967), was when my diff locked up as I was passing a semi on=
I-35 in Kansas City. I barely got the car over to the shoulder without get=
ting run over, then spent six hours on the roadside waiting for AAA to send=
me a tow truck! (That=92s when I decided not to renew my AAA membership, b=
ut I digress).
Turned out the middle mounting on that camber compensator had broken off th=
e sections on the two end bolts because of the constant flexing on it, so o=
nly the middle bolt was holding it in place. The constant action on that on=
e bolt eventually made the round bolt hole oval shaped, and all the diff fl=
uid drained out. A dry diff really doesn=92t work all that well.
I drove the car without a CC for a few years, then gave it to my brother (w=
ho=92s a mechanic) to turn into a race car, He came up with a solution whic=
h I understand originated with Volkswagen owners to address the Beetle=92s =
swing-axle issues.
He tied a cable to the bottom shock mount, ran it up to a pulley attached t=
o the top shock mount, then across to the same setup on the other side.
[A diagram of a shock bolt AI-generated content may be incorrect.]
The biggest modification was to take that big bolt at the top of the shock,=
drill and tap it through the head to take a shouldered 1/4-inch bolt which=
becomes the hub for the pulley. Not shown, a simple retainer over the top =
of the pulley to prevent the cable from jumping off.
He did that in 1971. He raced the car for three years, then I got it back a=
nd raced and autocrossed it through 2011. In all that time, 40 years, I rep=
laced the cable just once.
Since it was going on a race car, we jacked the rear suspension as high as =
we could (filled the trunk with heavy stuff while the car was on jackstands=
, then sat someone in the trunk while we attached the cable) which both low=
ered the car and stiffened the ride. I later bought another =9264 Spit as a=
street car and did the same trick, but let the suspension droop more so it=
was softer for street use (I also didn=92t autocross that car). On that on=
e I found a pulley that came with a shroud, didn=92t need the retainer.
It works as a camber compensator without that evil spring. The swing axle d=
oesn=92t swing any more. Both rear wheels remain constant with each other.
I=92ve given this design to several other drivers. One came up with a cleve=
r trick =96 he cut an opening in the diff tunnel under the gas tank (which =
also provides nice access to the bolts holding the spring to the top of the=
diff). Then he installed a turnbuckle in the cable at that location. Adjus=
table suspension! Cheap and easy. And IMHO safer.
=97Rocky Entriken
n Behalf Of JOE CURRY via Fot
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2025 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] in search of
It has been that way for years. It became impossible for me to market them=
at the price that I knew was affordable for most Spitfire owners. Therein=
lies the rub!
Good luck.
Joe
On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 07:48:44 AM MST, ralph hansen via Fot <fot@a=
hello everyone,
I'm looking for a leaf spring manufacturer to make up about 25 single leaf =
springs. Preferably close to Milwaukee but just about anywhere might work. =
Must do good work and be reliable. These springs would be for the TR camber=
compensators. Doing some shopping around since one I've used has doubled t=
he cost in 5 years. Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Ralph
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This is a very interesting setup and discussion.</div>
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Formula VEEs, especially the later "zero roll" designs have elast=
omeric pucks in the droop limiters to ease the shock on rebound. Might not =
be worth the complexity in the Spitfire.</div>
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I would love to see a back to back experiment between this setup and one wi=
th very short dampers which limited the droop to the same degree as the cab=
le system we're discussing. I think a large question now is, with the stati=
c camber of this setup, whether jacking
and tuck-under still prevail, or is cornering squat possible? If cornering=
squat is possible, then the cable and inside spring are exacerbating it, b=
ut this may be ok if the body rolls enough.</div>
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This pre-loaded spring setup does not result in "infinite rate" w=
hen reaching the travel limit or droop, but in extension or downward wheel =
travel, does result in 0 lbf change per 0 inches of deflection. This,=
however, does not mean that the rear tire contact
patch sees zero force from the ground. Here, steady state breaking p=
otential for the rear axle will be limited by contact patch shape/size and =
forward weight transfer. Certainly, droop limiting to zero degrees camber w=
ill result in the best contact patch
and may reduce forward weight transfer because the C.G. may remain lower i=
n this setup than one with the rear spring helping to lift the rear of the =
car.</div>
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utox.team.net> on behalf of Barr, Scott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net&g=
t;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 5:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rocky spitfire4.com <rocky@spitfire4.com>; JOE CURRY <s=
pitlist@cox.net>; FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>; ralph hansen &=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">What I meant by =
=93infinite spring rate=94 is, based on my understanding of the system you=
=92re describing, the condition when both rear axles droop and hit the end =
of the cable =93leash=94. As I understand it, you
essentially had both rear axles hanging from a single cable that slid from=
side to side under cornering loads but, under braking, with both axles tra=
veling downward at the same time, would be arrested by hitting the end of t=
hat cable =93leash=94. Am I understanding
the setup correctly? I would think that would be similar to having a=
leaf spring hit the bump stop and going from whatever the spring rate is t=
o *<b>no</b>* spring, or =93infinite spring rate=94.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I asked because I=
considered creating a similar system once for my Spit racer, as well as fo=
r my dad=92s swing axle GT6 racer, but wanted either to add a spring in the=
middle of the cable or to run the cable
over a spring-loaded central pully of some sort =96 just to ease the trans=
ition from normal spring operation to full leash arrest. Maybe =
that wouldn=92t be necessary?</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Scott (B.)</span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> rocky spitfire4.com <ro=
cky@spitfire4.com>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 3:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Barr, Scott <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com>; JOE CURRY <spitlis=
t@cox.net>; FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>; ralph hansen <qui=
krx@yahoo.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Fot] in search of</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Yes, it caused no=
trouble for me. Neither road racing nor autocrossing. Essentially no droop=
. And FWIW, on numerous occasions when other people have driven my car, the=
y often commented on how well it handled.
Very neutral. I never did the turnbuckle thing on mine</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Originally it had=
a limited slip diff, but I finally wore that thing out. Replaced with a we=
lded-up rear. It was even better, tighter. (But harder to push around in th=
e paddock.) I usually had a 4:55, best
for autocrossing and most MiDiv tracks. Originally it had a 4:11 but I hav=
en=92t used that for decades. Borrowed a 3:89 to do the 2011 Runoffs at Roa=
d America.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Not sure what you=
mean by =93infinite spring rate.=94 The only spring is the transverse spri=
ngs over the top of the diff (and I still had the stock spring!). When I we=
nt to do a straight-line stop, it stopped.
In a straight line. It would trail brake nicely and predictably, with both=
tires on the ground. As long as I didn=92t run out of talent and screw up =
the braking, upsetting the balance.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">--Rocky</span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Barr, Scott <<a href=3D=
"mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com";>sbarr@McCarty-Law.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 2:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rocky spitfire4.com <<a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com";>r=
ocky@spitfire4.com</a>>; JOE CURRY <<a href=3D"mailto:spitlist@cox.ne=
t">spitlist@cox.net</a>>; FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.te=
am.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; ralph hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:quik=
rx@yahoo.com">quikrx@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Fot] in search of</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">It must work grea=
t or you wouldn=92t have used it so successfully for 40 years, but=85when u=
nder straight line braking, when the droop get arrested by the cable, doesn=
=92t it go from whatever the spring=92s rate
is instantly to infinite spring rate? Am I understanding that correc=
tly? And that change caused no trouble for you?</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Scott (B.)</span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>rocky spitfire4.com via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 12:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> JOE CURRY <<a href=3D"mailto:spitlist@cox.net";>spitlist@cox.n=
et</a>>; FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox=
.team.net</a>>; ralph hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:quikrx@yahoo.com";>qui=
krx@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] in search of</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Are we talking th=
e camber compensator for the Spitfire that has a middle mounting bolted to =
the bottom three bolts of the differential?</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The scariest mome=
nt I ever had in my 1964 Spitfire, back when it was my daily driver (ca. 19=
67), was when my diff locked up as I was passing a semi on I-35 in Kansas C=
ity. I barely got the car over to the
shoulder without getting run over, then spent six hours on the roadside wa=
iting for AAA to send me a tow truck! (That=92s when I decided not to renew=
my AAA membership, but I digress).</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Turned out the mi=
ddle mounting on that camber compensator had broken off the sections on the=
two end bolts because of the constant flexing on it, so only the middle bo=
lt was holding it in place. The constant
action on that one bolt eventually made the round bolt hole oval shaped, a=
nd all the diff fluid drained out. A dry diff really doesn=92t work all tha=
t well.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I drove the car w=
ithout a CC for a few years, then gave it to my brother (who=92s a mechanic=
) to turn into a race car, He came up with a solution which I understand or=
iginated with Volkswagen owners to address
the Beetle=92s swing-axle issues. </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">He tied a cable t=
o the bottom shock mount, ran it up to a pulley attached to the top shock m=
ount, then across to the same setup on the other side.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"218" height=3D"178" id=
=3D"x_Picture_x0020_1" alt=3D"A diagram of a shock bolt=0A=
=0A=
AI-generated content may be incorrect." style=3D"width:2.2708in; height:1.8=
541in" data-outlook-trace=3D"F:1|T:1" src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01DB99B1.86AF=
7B30"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"></span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The biggest modif=
ication was to take that big bolt at the top of the shock, drill and tap it=
through the head to take a shouldered 1/4-inch bolt which becomes the hub =
for the pulley. Not shown, a simple
retainer over the top of the pulley to prevent the cable from jumping off.=
</span>
</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">He did that in 19=
71. He raced the car for three years, then I got it back and raced and auto=
crossed it through 2011. In all that time, 40 years, I replaced the cable j=
ust once.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Since it was goin=
g on a race car, we jacked the rear suspension as high as we could (filled =
the trunk with heavy stuff while the car was on jackstands, then sat someon=
e in the trunk while we attached the
cable) which both lowered the car and stiffened the ride. I later bought a=
nother =9264 Spit as a street car and did the same trick, but let the suspe=
nsion droop more so it was softer for street use (I also didn=92t autocross=
that car). On that one I found a pulley
that came with a shroud, didn=92t need the retainer.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">It works as a cam=
ber compensator without that evil spring. The swing axle doesn=92t swing an=
y more. Both rear wheels remain constant with each other.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">I=92ve given this=
design to several other drivers. One came up with a clever trick =96 he cu=
t an opening in the diff tunnel under the gas tank (which also provides nic=
e access to the bolts holding the spring
to the top of the diff). Then he installed a turnbuckle in the cable at th=
at location. Adjustable suspension! Cheap and easy. And IMHO safer.</span><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">=97Rocky Entriken=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot-bounces@autox.team.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JOE CURRY via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 20, 2025 10:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.=
team.net</a>>; ralph hansen <<a href=3D"mailto:quikrx@yahoo.com";>quik=
rx@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] in search of</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",s=
ans-serif">It has been that way for years. It became impossible for m=
e to market them at the price that I knew was affordable for most Spitfire =
owners. Therein lies the rub!</span></p>
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ans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",s=
ans-serif">Good luck.</span></p>
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ans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",s=
ans-serif">Joe</span></p>
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ans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">On Thursday, March 20, 2025 at =
07:48:44 AM MST, ralph hansen via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.=
net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</span></p>
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;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p>
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;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">hello everyone,</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">I'm looking for a leaf spring m=
anufacturer to make up about 25 single leaf springs. Preferably close to Mi=
lwaukee but just about anywhere might work. Must
do good work and be reliable. These springs would be for the TR camber com=
pensators. Doing some shopping around since one I've used has doubled the c=
ost in 5 years. Thanks in advance.</span></p>
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;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A"> </span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">Cheers,</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"=
;Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#26282A">Ralph </span></p>
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