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Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

To: "tr4racing@googlemail.com" <tr4racing@googlemail.com>, 'Anthony Parker' <solarant@hotmail.com>, 'FOT Triumph' <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum
From: "rocky spitfire4.com via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:06:21 +0000
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What Chris said, me too. Turned out my rad had most of its tubes plugged, o=
nly at least I didn't have to fix it at the track. Local radiator shop diag=
nosed it, and "rodded it out." That is, he took the top off and ran a rod t=
hrough most of the tubes. Some were so plugged he could not get the rod thr=
ough, but it was enough to fix the problem. This was actually the original =
radiator in my '64 Spitfire and then some 25-30 years old. I later replaced=
 it with a lighter one for weight.

--Rocky Entriken

From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:17 AM
To: 'Anthony Parker' <solarant@hotmail.com>; 'FOT Triumph' <fot@autox.team.=
net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

Hi,

had this once on a fellow racer car.
Turned out a clogged radiator that closed few remaining open pipes on tempe=
rature.
We replaced the radiator on the track (someone brought a new one) and from =
that time never a problem again.

Cheers
Chris


n Behalf Of Anthony Parker via Fot
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Coolant conundrum

I'm having cooling problems.
Need help being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.

Brand new short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.

Over three trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses=
 and radiator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator will cool and c=
oolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high coolant temps.

Two more clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the=
 radiator cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized air and co=
olant shot everywhere.

No thermostat and I have confirmed three times that system is completely fu=
ll

Seems I have combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventua=
lly removing pump prime.

Don't know what else it could be.

Given the apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some "=
stop leak" product?

Is it time to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?

I suppose it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked b=
y two different trusted engine machinists.

Desperately trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What Chris said, me too. Turned out my rad had most =
of its tubes plugged, only at least I didn&#8217;t have to fix it at the tr=
ack. Local radiator shop diagnosed it, and &#8220;rodded it out.&#8221; Tha=
t is, he took the top off and ran a rod through most
 of the tubes. Some were so plugged he could not get the rod through, but i=
t was enough to fix the problem. This was actually the original radiator in=
 my &#8217;64 Spitfire and then some 25-30 years old. I later replaced it w=
ith a lighter one for weight.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">--Rocky Entriken<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;fot-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; =
<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Chris Marx via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Anthony Parker' &lt;solarant@hotmail.com&gt;; 'FOT Triumph' &lt=
;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Coolant conundrum<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">had this once on a fellow racer car.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Turned out a clogged radiator that closed few remain=
ing open pipes on temperature.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We replaced the radiator on the track (someone broug=
ht a new one) and from that time never a problem again.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"D=
E"> Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Parker via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2023 5:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOT Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Coolant conundrum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span class=3D"contentpas=
ted0"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#242424">I'm having cooling problems.</span></span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242=
424"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Need help=
 being convinced that I have to do what I don't want to do.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Brand new=
 short block, same old head, water pump, and radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Over thre=
e trials, the engine will run fine and warm up with radiator hoses and radi=
ator warming properly. Then the hoses and radiator
 will cool and coolant temp will spike to 230+. Radiator cold with sky high=
 coolant temps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Two more =
clues, hoses seem to pressurize very quickly and when I opened the radiator=
 cap this morning (after cooling all night) pressurized
 air and coolant shot everywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span class=3D"contentpas=
ted1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#242424;background:white">No thermostat and I have confirmed t=
hree times that system is completely full</span></span><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Seems I h=
ave combustion gases getting into coolant and then bubbles eventually remov=
ing pump prime.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Don't kno=
w what else it could be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Given the=
 apparent direction of the leak, is there any use in trying some &quot;stop=
 leak&quot; product?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Is it tim=
e to pull the head again to look for warping or gasket leak?<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">I suppose=
 it could be a cracked cylinder, but this block has been checked by two dif=
ferent trusted engine machinists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:#242424">Desperate=
ly trying to get to the RunOffs, Anthony.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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