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I am biased. Age 40. Many kids. Work. You know the drill.
I choose my limited race weekends in this order
- track distance from home (closer is best)
- event (historical event?, quality, organizer)
- combination (I=E2=80=99ll fly or drive for something special)
I end up at Pitt Race a lot because it=E2=80=99s stupid close for me and a =
great
track.
I go back to VIR, Summit Point, Road America and Mid Ohio because they are
sometimes the right mix for schedule and attractiveness.
I think Kastner Cup is best of regularly on the largest stage possible to
try to demonstrate the vintage racing quality we all bring to the table and
introduce Kastner Cup to new audiences.
And sometimes having it on smaller stages is more fun for us.
So, I=E2=80=99d choose to do it in a semi regular pattern.
One year big stage.
One year medium/smaller stage.
That kind of mentality.
Bringing 40 cars to an event is no joke. Organizers respect that.
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> > I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is attended=
very
> > well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> > at Road Atlanta.
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road=
Atlanta
> >>> During the Mitty.
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<div dir=3D"auto">I am biased. Age 40. Many kids. Work. You know the drill.=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I choose my limit=
ed race weekends in this order =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">- track distan=
ce from home (closer is best)=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">- event (histori=
cal event?, quality, organizer)=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">- combination =
(I=E2=80=99ll fly or drive for something special)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">I end up at Pitt Race a lot because it=E2=80=99s =
stupid close for me and a great track.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">I go back to VIR, Summit Point, Road America and Mid O=
hio because they are sometimes the right mix for schedule and attractivenes=
s.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I think Kastner=
Cup is best of regularly on the largest stage possible to try to demonstra=
te the vintage racing quality we all bring to the table and introduce Kastn=
er Cup to new audiences.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">And sometimes having it on smaller stages is more fun for us.=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, I=E2=80=99d choose t=
o do it in a semi regular pattern.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">One year bi=
g stage.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">One year medium/smaller stage.=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">That kind of mentality.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Bringing 40 cars to an event is no joke. Organ=
izers respect that.=C2=A0</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM yellow04 via=
Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This seems like a good time t=
o get a feel for the kind of event we <br>
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br>
<br>
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br=
>
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br>
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check <br=
>
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our <=
br>
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the <br>
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are <br=
>
as follows:<br>
<br>
Festival Events<br>
<br>
Typically higher entrance fees.<br>
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a <br>
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility <br=
>
of incidents, shortening sessions.<br>
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility <br>
with the packed schedule.<br>
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from <br=
>
a wide variety of media.<br>
<br>
~<br>
<br>
Club Events<br>
<br>
Typically lower entrance fees.<br>
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run <br=
>
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br>
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted <b=
r>
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.<br>
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good <br>
exposure from the normal sources.<br>
<br>
~<br>
<br>
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=
<br>
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated <br>
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is <b=
r>
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer <br>
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the <br=
>
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and <br>
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.<br>
<br>
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <br>
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?<br>
<br>
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run <br>
at? That would be helpful information as well!<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Henry Frye<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:<br>
> I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is attende=
d very<br>
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran<=
br>
> at Road Atlanta.<br>
> <br>
> Ronnie<br>
> <br>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">chasgee22@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?<br>
>> <br>
>> Chuck<br>
>> <br>
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br>
>>> <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fo=
t@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back =
to Road Atlanta <br>
>>> During the Mitty.<br>
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