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To: 'yellow04' <yellow04@tr4racer.com>, "fot@autox.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net>, "kknight@klaenv.com" <kknight@klaenv.com>, Rick Parent <rick.parent@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears
From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC)
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 WHEN i ORDERED MY FIRST 2 SETS OF CLOSE RATION GEARS FOR MY RACE CAR, IT W=
AS $800 FOR BOTH SETS (i.e. $400 per set)!
Jack

    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 04:29:34 PM EST, Rick Parent via Fot <f=
ot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Heck, I can make anything including gearsets and shafts but no one in thei=
r right mind will do it because of the costs involved. Hewland Mk 9 gears s=
ets cost $325 each at this point, times four or five is not cheap. When a d=
og box brakes it's 2-4K for repairs and parts. A Jerico is fine if you need=
 the extra weight and are prepared to lose some acceleration because of the=
 added moment of inertia weight of the giant gears and shafts.
If someone can guarantee an order for say 30 sets I would be glad to do a q=
uote for the TR4/6 close ratio set up, I would also need a good set for eng=
ineering purposes.
I guess my point is if guys are whining about paying $85 each for steel syn=
chro's to fix the stock gearbox issues, I think they would come unglued hav=
ing to pony up for the close ratio gear sets. If there is a stock of these =
gears sets somewhere please tell me and I will buy them all at the current =
price. Realistically they should cost 3 times or more than what they sell f=
or today.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequence=
s"
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    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 01:36:41 PM MST, Ken Knight via Fot <fo=
t@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 When that happens we can look for alternatives.=C2=A0 You can get a Jerico=
 4
speed racing transmission that will handle 4 times the power a TR box
(forever), and given gearset costs, it's not a bad investment.=C2=A0 You ca=
n even
get it with close to the ratios of TR CR box.=C2=A0 Not vintage but if we w=
ant to
race into the future gearboxes are going to be a major problem.=C2=A0 Alrea=
dy
lots of Toyota 5 speeds quietly on the grid.=C2=A0 The vast majority of par=
ts
made for racing today are far superior to what was available 60 years ago,
just look at the technological leaps in racing oil.=C2=A0 So as a sport we =
adapt
or stop racing.=C2=A0 Kas's moto was "Never be beaten by equipment".=C2=A0 =
The vast
majority of that equipment no longer exists, so when my last two TR
gearboxes are done it will be time for a change.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 8:23 AM
To: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

Interesting conversation, if the manufacturer of the close ratio gearsets i=
s
truly done and can't be convinced to make more, this could have pretty big
implications to a lot of racers here.

Does anybody know the ratios of the dogbox gearset?

Henry Frye

On 2023-01-16 15:34, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Maybe Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?
>=20
> Cheers
>=20
> Chris
>=20
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON=20
> via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 16:05
> An: FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> Betreff: [Fot] Close ratio gears
>=20
> Hi All,
>=20
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the
> TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?=C2=A0 They have been on=
=20
> backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock=20
> date further out.
>=20
> Thank you,
>=20
> Greg Thompson
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpcb48ca23yahoo-style-wrap" style=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">WHEN i ORDERED MY FIRST 2 SE=
TS OF CLOSE RATION GEARS FOR MY RACE CAR, IT WAS $800 FOR BOTH SETS (i.e. $=
400 per set)!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jack<br></div><div><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp263a5edyahoo_quoted_4200542933" class=3D"ydp263=
a5edyahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 04:29:34 PM EST, Rick P=
arent via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp263a5edyiv3892014273"><div><div style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" =
class=3D"ydp263a5edyiv3892014273ydp687ce622yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Heck, I can make anything including gearsets and shafts but no one=
 in their right mind will do it because of the costs involved. Hewland Mk 9=
 gears sets cost $325 each at this point, times four or five is not cheap. =
When a dog box brakes it's 2-4K for repairs and parts. A Jerico is fine if =
you need the extra weight and are prepared to lose some acceleration becaus=
e of the added moment of inertia weight of the giant gears and shafts.</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">If someone can =
guarantee an order for say 30 sets I would be glad to do a quote for the TR=
4/6 close ratio set up, I would also need a good set for engineering purpos=
es.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I guess=
 my point is if guys are whining about paying $85 each for steel synchro's =
to fix the stock gearbox issues, I think they would come unglued having to =
pony up for the close ratio gear sets. If there is a stock of these gears s=
ets somewhere please tell me and I will buy them all at the current price. =
Realistically they should cost 3 times or more than what they sell for toda=
y.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp263a5edyiv3892014273=
ydp687ce622signature"><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-seri=
f;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick Parent</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">"<i>Doing the right thing is always th=
e right thing, regardless of consequences</i>"</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div></div></div></div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"ydp263a5edyiv3892014273yahoo_quoted_4073652154" cl=
ass=3D"ydp263a5edyiv3892014273yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div id=3D"ydp263a5edyiv3892014273yqtfd01533" class=3D"ydp2=
63a5edyiv3892014273yqt0877188543"><div>
                    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 01:36:41 PM MST, Ken Kn=
ight via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                </div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"ydp263a5edyiv3892014=
273yqtfd41528" class=3D"ydp263a5edyiv3892014273yqt0877188543">When that hap=
pens we can look for alternatives.&nbsp; You can get a Jerico 4<br clear=3D=
"none">speed racing transmission that will handle 4 times the power a TR bo=
x<br clear=3D"none">(forever), and given gearset costs, it's not a bad inve=
stment.&nbsp; You can even<br clear=3D"none">get it with close to the ratio=
s of TR CR box.&nbsp; Not vintage but if we want to<br clear=3D"none">race =
into the future gearboxes are going to be a major problem.&nbsp; Already<br=
 clear=3D"none">lots of Toyota 5 speeds quietly on the grid.&nbsp;  The vas=
t majority of parts<br clear=3D"none">made for racing today are far superio=
r to what was available 60 years ago,<br clear=3D"none">just look at the te=
chnological leaps in racing oil.&nbsp; So as a sport we adapt<br clear=3D"n=
one">or stop racing.&nbsp; Kas's moto was "Never be beaten by equipment".&n=
bsp;  The vast<br clear=3D"none">majority of that equipment no longer exist=
s, so when my last two TR<br clear=3D"none">gearboxes are done it will be t=
ime for a change.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Ken<br clear=3D"none=
"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: Fot=
 &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"no=
follow" target=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of y=
ellow04 via Fot<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 8:23 AM<b=
r clear=3D"none">To: <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">=
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I=
nteresting conversation, if the manufacturer of the close ratio gearsets is=
<br clear=3D"none">truly done and can't be convinced to make more, this cou=
ld have pretty big<br clear=3D"none">implications to a lot of racers here.<=
br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Does anybody know the ratios of the do=
gbox gearset?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Henry Frye<br clear=3D"n=
one"><br clear=3D"none">On 2023-01-16 15:34, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:<br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt; Hi,<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Maybe=
 Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clea=
r=3D"none">&gt; Cheers<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Chris=
<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Von: Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"re=
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br clear=3D"none">&gt; via Fot<br clear=3D"none">&gt; Gesendet: Montag, 16.=
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none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Does anyone have a set of close ratio ge=
ars laying around for the<br clear=3D"none">&gt; TR4-6 gearbox they would b=
e willing to part with?&nbsp; They have been on <br clear=3D"none">&gt; bac=
korder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock <br clear=
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