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RE: PERRY

To: "'GlenWilson@worldnet.att.net'" <GlenWilson@worldnet.att.net>,
Subject: RE: PERRY
From: Perry Robinson <PROBINSO@flower-mound.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:40:41 -0600
Glen,
If a person is going to go to all that trouble "modifying" the Holley, why
not just go for the Edelbrock 500cfm, or the Carter.

(How about an older Holley "Pro-jection" unit.  Can it be used?  Iv'e seen
several very cheap at swap meets)

later

Perry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen R. Wilson [SMTP:GlenWilson@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 10:32 AM
> To:   PROBINSO@flower-mound.com
> Cc:   'buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net'
> Subject:      PERRY
> 
> 
> Just between us, Dan, the Holley needs some changes to work with the 
> Buick.  I'm pretty much a rookie and have found that people on this 
> list frequently gloss over essential stuff they assume everyone 
> knows.  There's also some difference of opinion.
> 
> Here's what I've gleaned.  The stock Holley 390 needs to be rejetted 
> to run right on this little engine.  I've got some numbers at home I 
> can send you.  Also, the stock carb does not have the metering block 
> for the secondaries, and you need that to make it run right.  It's 
> around $60-70 and allows you to adjust all of the factors for the 
> secondary.  You will also probably have to change the spring in the 
> vacuum secondary that controls when they kick in.  They say that it 
> pays to pick a slightly different cam for the accelerator pump 
> linkage so that it squirts less gas.  You apparently need to drill 
> three nickle-sized holes on the choke plate to keep it from 
> overchoking.  Other than that, you just toss it on there....
> 
> At least that will give you some basis for asking questions.
> 
> Don't believe everything you read either here or in Hardcastle's 
> book.  Watch out for advice from people who are getting 400 hp 
> out of their engines with wild cams and superchargers; that's not 
> what you have.
> 
> Glen Wilson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From:          Perry Robinson <PROBINSO@flower-mound.com>
> > To:            "'Daniel Jones'" <djones2@mdc.com>
> > Cc:            "'buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net'"
> <buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net>
> > Subject:       RE: Parts Interchangeability -Reply
> > Date:          Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:57:10 -0600
> > Reply-to:      Perry Robinson <PROBINSO@flower-mound.com>
> 
> > Thanks Dan! 
> > 
> > Sounds like you have some hard data to back that up with.  I currently
> am
> > running a bone stock (junkyard pullout) 1980 SD1 3.5l, with a 4bbl buick
> > intake(with adapter plate) and a Holley 390.  Installed the Holley
> straight
> > out of the box, just set the float level, and go.  Carb. seems to flood
> at
> > idle, and seems to run very rich.  What jets does this carb come with
> stock,
> > and which are preferred?  Also, engine seems to cut out at high rpm.
> Can't
> > tell if its fuel starvation, or whether its valve float.  (no working
> tach
> > yet!)  I am running a Autozone generic electric fuel pump throught the
> stock
> > TR7 fuel lines.
> > 
> > Any advise?
> > 
> > PS-the 4bbl buick w/adapter creates some clearance problems with the
> hood,
> > with all but the slimmest air cleaners, is the Edelbrock any lower? (or
> > HIGHER?)
> > 
> > Thanks!
> >  Perry
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:     Daniel Jones [SMTP:djones2@mdc.com]
> > > Sent:     Thursday, March 25, 1999 2:03 PM
> > > To:       buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net; PROBINSO@flower-mound.com
> > > Subject:  Parts Interchangeability -Reply
> > > 
> > > >Does anyone (other than Silv-o-lite) make a performance piston
> (9.5comp)
> > > or
> > > >higher piston for the Rover?  I have been told that Chevy Vega
> pistons
> > > are
> > > >the same 3.5 in. bore size, and on a recent post, someone mentioned
> that
> > > >Chevy 2.8 V-6 pistons would fit the Buick.  I am assuming (and WE ALL
> > > know
> > > >what that means) that the Chevy parts are going to be more available,
> and
> > > >inexpensive, than an aftermarket item.
> > > 
> > > You assume too much.  While there are several different pistons
> > > that will fit the bore, the pin heights are not necessarily in the 
> > > right place for a stock rod and crank.  The pistons mentioned
> > > yield the desired compression with a 300 crank and heads.
> > > There may be pistons that will work but you'll need to do the 
> > > research with the piston catalogs for the proper pin heigth and 
> > > diameter. 
> > > 
> > > Ted and Woody both deal with pistons.  You might see what 
> > > they have.
> > > 
> > > >What cam do you recommend?  Glen Towery says to stick with the
> stocker.
> > > 
> > > You might want to contact Woody Cooper.  He's done a number of 
> > > custom Sig Erson cams for the 3.5.  
> > > 
> > > >What about carbs?  I've been running the Holley 390, but I'm not real
> > > happy
> > > >with it.  Has anyone used the Edelbrock Performer 500 cfm carb?  I
> have a
> > > >stock 4bbl bop intake, what is the "best" intake.  (I have read
> > > Hardcastle's
> > > >book, but don't think the Offy is the way to go anymore)  Has anyone
> > > >actually used or is running, the Edelbrock Performer?
> > > 
> > > Ted Schumacher is doing an dyno intake comparison and has a couple 
> > > of my intakes (Offy Dual Port and Buick 4 bbl).  I think he also plans
> > > to test the Edelbrock intake.  He's using a Holley 390 with some carb
> > > guru modifications.  
> > > 
> > > I've got several carbs to play with (holley 390, Carter 400, Edelbrock
> 
> > > 500, Edelbrock 600) but it will be awhile before I actually finish the
> 
> > > engine to see which one I like best.  I tend to prefer the
> > > Carter/Edelbrock
> > > carbs but I've made Holleys work too.  
> > > 
> > > >My car is mostly used for highway use, and I like the idea of passing
> > > with
> > > >lots of power at highway speeds.  I'm not really into the "stoplight
> drag
> > > >race" type engine, but I also don't want an engine that doesn't make
> > > power
> > > >until 5,000 rpm!
> > > 
> > > You definately want compression.  Shoot for 10:1 compression
> > > and a cam with 110 lobe centers and whatever duration fits your
> > > rpm range.  Probably a little extra duration and lift on the exhaust
> > > to crutch up the smal exhaust port.  Bowl port the heads and consider
> > > oversize valves.  Run headers - both Ted and woody carry the 
> > > tri-y's for TR8's.  Buick/Olds 4 bbl intake with spacer or Edelbrock 
> > > Performer.  
> > > 
> > > Dan Jones 
> > 
> 
> Glen R. Wilson  <GlenWilson@worldnet.att.net>
> 
> Suburban Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

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