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61. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:17:09 -0500 (EST)
Depends. :-) In the case where the protest bond covers the documentation costs... I'd say the question of who's got the "burden of proof" is moot. Either the protestor or the protestee is gonna pay
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00152.html (10,059 bytes)

62. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Charles" <golden1@britsys.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:11:26 -0500
Mark has made the same point I was trying to put across a couple days ago. Why disqualify someone simply for not having a specific document (the FSM) that likely doesn't include the information need
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00156.html (10,810 bytes)

63. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:56:07 -0500 (EST)
So we should eliminate protest bonds altogether? Or set a common "engine teardown" bond that ignores that shop rate on a Ferrarri is a bit higher than shop rate on a Celica? Bull. You wanna protest,
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00160.html (9,525 bytes)

64. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:15:27 -0500 (EST)
If it does, then its broken. (assuming you're checking it by looking at the gears...) Transaxles complicate the hell outta things, don't they? Sorry. It was a general "you" and was stated in a harsh
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00161.html (10,207 bytes)

65. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Ghsharp@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:17:56 EST
As long as we're using Porsche as an example, since they and other mfrs are becoming less and less inclined to give out what they consider to be "proprietary information", you might not get an answer
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00162.html (10,023 bytes)

66. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Eric Linnhoff" <knuckledragger@kcweb.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:24:53 -0500
Dueling pistols anyone? Remember to play fairly. Twenty paces, turn and THEN fire. And if the other guy still wants to throw his hands up in the air, well, so much the better (target to aim at). ;^)
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00163.html (8,711 bytes)

67. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:00:59 -0500 (EST)
Sure. Though of the two options (1, being able to get the FSM or 2, convincing a dealer to help) I'll bet you'll have more luck with the dealer. And of course we have this very same issue for many o
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00165.html (12,631 bytes)

68. RE: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Eric Salem" <eric@mail.brown911.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:59:46 -0600
Mark wrote... And in the $2k porsche example, the entire point of all this is that rather than paying $2k to get the information, you pay shop rate for the dealer to look it up. The _PC_ sets the bon
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00166.html (9,444 bytes)

69. RE: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:33:13 -0500 (EST)
So how do you propose to fix it? Require an out of print or unavailable shop manual? The PC has the ability to ask for other documentation as well. If the Dealer network doesn't have it, someone mus
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00168.html (9,762 bytes)

70. RE: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Eric Salem" <eric@mail.brown911.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:40:37 -0600
So how do you propose to fix it? Require an out of print or unavailable shop manual? The rule could state that some type of documentation, not necessarily a FSM, exist for the items and only those i
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00169.html (9,145 bytes)

71. RE: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:17:04 -0500 (EST)
You haven't been reading the thread for a while, have you? We were discussing documentation requirements for all cars. We were also discussing how a PC could request documentation appropriate for th
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00170.html (9,617 bytes)

72. RE: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Eric Salem" <eric@mail.brown911.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:47:17 -0600
You haven't been reading the thread for a while, have you? True I haven't. << We were discussing documentation requirements for all cars. We were also discussing how a PC could request documentation
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00171.html (9,142 bytes)

73. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:53:48 -0600
If the dealer can't (or won't) supply the spec, maybe someone else would. Maybe the independent shop, the guy who works on those cars the dealer won't bother with any more (he likely has a shelf full
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00175.html (10,953 bytes)

74. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@tri.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:01:01 -0600
Eric, look at it this way -- it has been realized the documentation problem affects just about everyone. We fix the documentation problem for all categories and our P cars are along for the ride. I.e
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00176.html (10,224 bytes)

75. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Chuck" <golden1@britsys.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:07:40 -0500
I think the real solution is a searchable online database where anyone and everyone can contribute specs from any and all sources. That way even if a spec on an obscure car isn't "perfect" it still i
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00180.html (11,539 bytes)

76. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Smokerbros@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:27:35 -0500
Yeah, and for Hondas we can ask Chuck Noonan and Oscar Jackson... Charlie
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00185.html (8,704 bytes)

77. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Charles" <golden1@britsys.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:44:00 -0500
That's exactly the beauty of an online database, it can be self building. The info can be aquired from many sources, but put into the database primarily by the competitors themselves, without involvi
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00188.html (12,488 bytes)

78. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Smokerbros@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:07:37 -0500
You seem to forget that people lie, cheat and can be misinformed. Lets say all the guys in the Widget club swear it has 1.60" intake valves. Maybe that's because the OE 1.40" valves have been outrage
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00189.html (9,883 bytes)

79. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:30:26 -0500 (EST)
I'm not really sure that the data we use to decide if a competitor's car is legal should come from the competitor. Mark
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00191.html (8,592 bytes)

80. Re: Subject: Re: shop manuals (score: 1)
Author: "Chuck" <golden1@britsys.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:57:40 -0500
I never said it should come from THAT competitor. Even if it did tho, as a public document available to everyone, one of two things would happen: one, several other competitors would challenge the sp
/html/autox/2004-03/msg00193.html (9,508 bytes)

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