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Lockheed 9=94 brake shoes are difficult to find. I know, I was looking for =
a set earlier this summer.
You can have the brake shoes relined. I asked the list for recommended shop=
s about two months ago, and can dig out the replies if you=92d like.
Personally, I would not use oil-soaked shoes. The oil will have soaked into=
whatever pore space is in the friction material. I don=92t think the kitty=
litter will do a thing at least in the time frame you would like (maybe if=
left for years?). Cleaning with solvent will remove only the surface layer=
s of oil.
Cliff
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Subject: Re: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issue=
s
I had a small chip in a drum and was told it wasn=92t an issue. I guess it=
depends on the size. If this was a car you intended to race, you=92d prob=
ably be getting rid of the Lockheed axle anyway. The Lockheed rear ends ma=
y be good for authenticity, but there was a reason the later cars used Girl=
ing.
I put new seals on my (Lockheed) axle and they do not leak.
Second what Bill B. said about removing the drum.
No idea about re-using the shoes =96 sorry !
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Gunn
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:43 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues
Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the lis=
t. It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe =
that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists. [Emoji]
I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L. I rebuilt every system (brakes, elect=
rical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago. I did not have to open up the engin=
e, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine. It is=
close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on t=
he front (I didn't do it). Everything from the transmission back is origin=
al.
When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing. So, I know that I will ne=
ed to redo and rebuild all of the various systems. I am hoping that I do n=
ot have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of ga=
s. At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.
I drove it many miles all over northern California. My last drive was up t=
o Lassen Park. It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rea=
r wheel seals. I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for=
me). At that point, it was parked.
Now, I am back to it. I am starting with the seals. Someone suggested tha=
t driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and t=
hat I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that m=
ake any sense? Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the a=
xles in to a machine shop?
The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort. I have not been ab=
le to get the left brake drum off. It has the original 9" drums. I have l=
ightly tapped all the way around, to no avail. (BTW, I did remove the 2 se=
t screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely=
.) I did knock a chip off the drum. I hope that doesn't affect the balanc=
e of that wheel? I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice=
I could find. I have not been back out to the shop since applying the pen=
etrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfires in nor=
thern California.
One more question: I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were so=
aked with oil. Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litte=
r would draw out the oil. Is this correct? An old wives tale?
So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly appreciate=
d.
Thank you,
David
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Lockheed 9=94 brake shoes are difficult to find. I k=
now, I was looking for a set earlier this summer.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You can have the brake shoes relined. I asked the li=
st for recommended shops about two months ago, and can dig out the replies =
if you=92d like.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Personally, I would not use oil-soaked shoes. The oi=
l will have soaked into whatever pore space is in the friction material. I =
don=92t think the kitty litter will do a thing at least in the time frame y=
ou would like (maybe if left for years?).
Cleaning with solvent will remove only the surface layers of oil.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
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Mail</a> for Windows</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>auprichard@uprichard.net</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, August 30, 2021 3:11 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:ccgunn@sbcglobal.net";>'David Gunn'</a>; <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>
triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Remova=
l Issues</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">I had a small chip in a drum and was told it wasn=
=92t an issue. I guess it depends on the size. If this was a ca=
r you intended to race, you=92d probably be getting rid of the
Lockheed axle anyway. The Lockheed rear ends may be good for authent=
icity, but there was a reason the later cars used Girling.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">I put new seals on my (Lockheed) axle and they do n=
ot leak.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Second what Bill B. said about removing the drum.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">No idea about re-using the shoes =96 sorry !<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D">Andrew Uprichard<br>
Jackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>David Gunn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 30, 2021 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Is=
sues<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health i=
ssues, I'm back on the list. It is good to see that this list is stil=
l going strong, and was in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot
5 controversy still exists. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"16"=
height=3D"16" style=3D"width:.1666in;height:.1666in" id=3D"_x0000_i1025" s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L. I rebu=
ilt every system (brakes, electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago. =
I did not have to open up the engine, transmission or rear
end, as they seemed to be working just fine. It is close to original=
; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't=
do it). Everything from the transmission back is original.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.&=
nbsp; So, I know that I will need to redo and rebuild all of the various sy=
stems. I am hoping that I do not have to remove the
gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas. At some poin=
t, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">I drove it many miles all over northern Californi=
a. My last drive was up to Lassen Park. It ran fine; although i=
t developed a leak in one of the rear wheel seals. I replaced
both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me). At that point,=
it was parked.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">Now, I am back to it. I am starting with th=
e seals. Someone suggested that driving it with the original (?) seal=
s caused a scaring on the axle and that I needed to put
a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make any sense? =
; Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles in to a m=
achine shop?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">The right rear brake drum came off with minimal e=
ffort. I have not been able to get the left brake drum off. It =
has the original 9" drums. I have lightly tapped all the
way around, to no avail. (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, and wa=
s able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.) I did k=
nock a chip off the drum. I hope that doesn't affect the balance of t=
hat wheel? I have liberally sprayed penetrating
oil in every crevice I could find. I have not been back out to the s=
hop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke=
from the wildfires in northern California.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">One more question: I have 2 sets of near ne=
w brake shoes, but they were soaked with oil. Somewhere I heard that =
burying them in a tub of kitty litter would draw out the
oil. Is this correct? An old wives tale?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this g=
roup is greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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