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My electric pump is mounted to the body under the rear seat. Early TR4.
=20
And =E2=80=93 there is a hidden switch under the dashboard that the =
wires go through. Nice safety feature.
=20
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of staffel
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:30 AM
To: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1@comcast.net>; Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
=20
Hello Greg: I put the electric pump right on the top of the frame below =
where the original pump was, for ease of access. On some Brit cars. The =
elec pumps are in the trunk (Jaguars), under the frame by the rear wheel =
(Jensen GTs). Ever have to replace an SU pump along side the highway in =
a rainstorm. Those days are over for me.
=20
Hi Ed: GOOD COMMENT; In my case it was NOT the brass acorn. And to =
replace that acorn, due to the curvature of the original steel pipe, =
meant a total fabrication of the pipe, as replacing the acorn was =
impossible as the brass Male nut could not be removed.
=20
Thanks Gents! A modern electric pump, located where easily checked, =
wired to the distributor + and ground makes checking or replacing the =
pump an easy job in the future. My TR4 was my daily driver from 1969 =
thru the mid 1980s, from Oklahoma to upstate NY, in the Mid Atlantic & =
in New Mexico. Proper replacement parts, made in the UK or US were much =
more dependable then.
I am still running a Mallory dual point ignition distributor after =
poorly manufactured Lucas points frustrated me for months: cam too =
small, slot too small, hole in points where points 'sit on breaker =
plate's too small so points set wobbled - giving intermittent spark.=20
=20
Even the basic things one has to inspect for proper manufacturing these =
days.
=20
Looking forward to having my TR fully roadworthy again!
Sherman=20
=20
=20
=20
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
=20
=20
-------- Original message --------
Date: 8/11/20 7:01 AM (GMT-05:00)=20
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod=20
=20
And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, =
not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the =
replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At =
one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this =
problem. =20
=20
Ed Woods=20
On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com =
=20
=20
Just a couple random thoughts here. One, I could not figure out from =
your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump. My =
understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like =
to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in =
back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump. You seem =
somewhat concerned about originality. =20
=20
Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too =
hard to fit. There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR =
ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have =
been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten =
years).=20
=20
Good Luck=20
=20
Greg Lemon=20
TR250=20
=20
=20
=20
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < staffel@comcast.net =
=20
Several years ago on an evening club drive in the Catoctin Mts of =
Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & =
started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel =
flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg =
and a Motel.=20
=20
Next morning, still raining, the issue was apparent: in the bottom of =
the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'. Cleaned the bowl & nursed =
the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend =
came by and got his trailer & towed me home.=20
=20
Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. =
So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.=20
=20
Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, =
so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF. =20
=20
A few months later got everything back together. The engine started =
right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on =
fuel feed of the original curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( =
pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop. =20
=20
Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph Male pipe 'nut' and the =
female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread =
mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either. =20
=20
So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and =
install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus =
907).=20
=20
Well, I installed a couple of different new electric pumps adjacent =
to the mechanical pump.=20
=20
They would never 'self prime'. =20
=20
Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED =
the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank =
is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the =
original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel. =20
=20
So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the =
new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump right on the frame. This =
allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to =
match the new location of the electric pump.=20
=20
Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of =
originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the =
Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical =
pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to =
the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.=20
=20
Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.=20
=20
I wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing =
glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to =
Roadworthy status.=20
=20
Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. =
At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have =
3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite =
side of the engine. =20
=20
Sherman D Taffel =20
Columbia MD and Goldvein VA =20
65 TR4 CT 50054L=20
( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)=20
=20
=20
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone =
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>My =
electric pump is mounted to the body under the rear seat.=C2=A0 Early =
TR4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And =E2=80=93 there is a hidden switch under the =
dashboard that the wires go through.=C2=A0 Nice safety =
feature.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>staffel<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:30 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1@comcast.net>; Greg Lemon =
<grglmn@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs =
<triumphs@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel =
Delivery Issue & Mod<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello =
Greg: I put the electric pump right on the top of the frame below where =
the original pump was, for ease of access. On some Brit cars. The elec =
pumps are in the trunk (Jaguars), under the frame by the rear wheel =
(Jensen GTs). Ever have to replace an SU pump along side the =
highway in a rainstorm. Those days are over for =
me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Ed: GOOD COMMENT; In my case it was NOT the brass =
acorn. And to replace that acorn, due to the curvature of the =
original steel pipe, meant a total fabrication of the pipe, as replacing =
the acorn was impossible as the brass Male nut could not be =
removed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Gents! A modern electric pump, located where =
easily checked, wired to the distributor + and ground makes checking or =
replacing the pump an easy job in the future. My TR4 was my daily driver =
from 1969 thru the mid 1980s, from Oklahoma to upstate NY, in the =
Mid Atlantic & in New Mexico. Proper replacement parts, made in the =
UK or US were much more dependable then.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I am still running a Mallory dual point ignition =
distributor after poorly manufactured Lucas points frustrated me for =
months: cam too small, slot too small, hole in points where points 'sit =
on breaker plate's too small so points set wobbled - giving intermittent =
spark. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Even the basic things one has to inspect for proper =
manufacturing these days.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Looking forward to having my TR fully roadworthy =
again!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sherman <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"composer_signature"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757'>Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, =
an AT&T 5G Evolution capable =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>-------- Original message =
--------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From: EDWARD WOODS <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fogbro1@comcast.net";>fogbro1@comcast.net</a>> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Date: 8/11/20 7:01 AM (GMT-05:00) =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>To: Greg Lemon <<a =
href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gmail.com";>grglmn@gmail.com</a>>, staffel =
<<a href=3D"mailto:staffel@comcast.net";>staffel@comcast.net</a>> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Cc: Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & =
Mod <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at =
the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a =
bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and =
can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer =
"acorn" to solve this problem. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Ed Woods <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <<a =
href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gmail.com";>grglmn@gmail.com</a>> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Just a couple random thoughts here. One, I could =
not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the =
electric pump. My understanding is most electric pumps like to =
push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close =
to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR =
electric pump. You seem somewhat concerned about =
originality. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily =
available and not too hard to fit. There are lots of things I =
remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is =
not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and =
has been working fine for ten years). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Good Luck <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Greg Lemon <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>TR250 <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < <a =
href=3D"mailto:staffel@comcast.net";>staffel@comcast.net</a>> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Several =
years ago on an evening club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland =
my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & =
started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel =
flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg =
and a Motel.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Next =
morning, still raining, the issue was apparent: in the bottom of =
the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'. Cleaned the bowl & =
nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club =
friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Further =
examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much =
for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Also =
examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so =
while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF. </span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>A few =
months later got everything back together. The engine started =
right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads =
on fuel feed of the original curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new =
pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop. </span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Magnifying glass exam of the =
original Triumph Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of =
the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. =
It was not Metric either. </span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>So =
after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and =
install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs =
(Lotus 907).</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Well, I =
installed a couple of different new electric pumps =
adjacent to the mechanical pump.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>They =
would never 'self prime'. </span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Now, =
returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED =
the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank =
is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the =
original input height of the original pump, to receive =
fuel. </span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>So I am =
redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new =
fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump right on the frame. =
This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool =
cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Next =
will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to =
meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. =
The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran =
up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front =
of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Finally =
hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I =
wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing =
glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to =
Roadworthy status.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Obviously not going to drive a =
car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( =
unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the =
exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine. </span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sherman D Taffel <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Columbia MD and Goldvein VA =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>65 TR4 CT 50054L =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>( per VTR the last known =
TR4 produced & shipped to USA) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div =
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