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Re: [TR] what is going on?????

from [Rye Livingston] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????
From: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
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For those of you who like tools, this is a great one for testing a battery=
.=0A=0Ahttps://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0=
015PI7A4/ref=3Dasc_df_B0015PI7A4/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D=
312280085431&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D14838984143453092033&hvpone=3D&h=
vptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint=3D&hvlocphy=3D1013964&hvt=
argid=3Dpla-499796143917&psc=3D1=0A=0AI don't know why it's brand is SOLAR=
, there is nothing solar about it. =C2=A0The battery doesn't need to be fu=
lly charged either, or disconnected from the car. =C2=A0You enter the type=
 of battery and the CCA it's rated for, it runs a test and along with OK, =
Charge and Fail, it will show you how=C2=A0many CCAs are left. =C2=A0I rec=
ently checked a 5 year old Optima Red Top battery I run in my TR3 rated at=
=C2=A0800 CCA. =C2=A0It tested good, and still has 720 CCAs.=0A=0ARye=0APH=
: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=0AOn June 14, 2020 at 8:56 AM, dave <dave@ranteer.com> w=
rote:=0A=0ANo, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had bee=
n connected to a charger for some period.=C2=A0 The negative terminal spar=
ked so we did not. =C2=A0We put it back on the floor where we checked it w=
ith the multi meter.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AWe also double checked that w=
e had the ground cable to the engine and the positive cable to the electri=
cal system.=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> =0ASe=
nt: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM=0ATo: dave@ranteer.com; triumphs@autox.=
team.net=0ASubject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0ADou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the e=
lectrical system.=0A=C2=A0=0AThe multimeter, with the red on the positive =
terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97=0A=C2=A0=0AThis battery=
 was apparently in the car.=C2=A0 Did you check this battery right at the =
terminals?=0A=C2=A0=0ADave=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A-----Original Message---=
--=0AFrom: dave <dave@ranteer.com>=0ATo: triumphs@autox.team.net=0ASent: S=
un, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am=0ASubject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=0A=0AT=
ested the battery out of the car=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: DAVID MASSEY <dave1masse=
y@cs.com> =0ASent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM=0ATo: dave@ranteer.com; t=
riumphs@autox.team.net=0ASubject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=0A=C2=A0=0A=
Did you test directly at the battery terminals?=0A=C2=A0=0AIt is possible =
to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.=C2=A0 If the battery was c=
omplete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed =
(ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it =
will charge up in the wrong polarity.=C2=A0 I've seen it done.=0A=C2=A0=0A=
Many of the smart chargers will not do this.=C2=A0 Many will not charge a =
dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care.=0A=C2=A0=
=0AConnecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all ma=
nner of problems.=C2=A0 It is not recommended.=0A=C2=A0=0ADave=0A=C2=A0=0A=
=C2=A0=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: dave <dave@ranteer.com>=0ATo: =
triumphs@autox.team.net=0ASent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am=0ASubject: Re: [=
TR] what is going on?????=0AYes.=C2=A0 I tested the good battery and it sh=
owed 12.7 volts.=C2=A0 positive=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmai=
l.com> =0ASent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM=0ATo: dave <dave@ranteer.com=
>=0ACc: triumphs@autox.team.net=0ASubject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=0A=
=C2=A0=0AHave you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?=0A=C2=A0=0AOn many modes they can be reversed.=0A=C2=A0=0AGeo=0A=
=C2=A0=0AOn Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:=0AWe=
 bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=E2=80=99t=
 running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.=0A=C2=A0=0AToday =
we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from anot=
her car.=0A=C2=A0=0ASet the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day o=
r two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in gett=
ing it running and driving.=0A=C2=A0=0AHooked up the positive first, then =
touching the negative caused a spark!!!!=0A=C2=A0=0ADouble checked that we=
 had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.=0A=
=C2=A0=0AThe multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the bla=
ck on the negative, read -9.97=0A=C2=A0=0AReversed it and got 9.97.=0A=C2=A0=
=0AChecked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.=0A=
=C2=A0=0AChecked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.=C2=A0=
 Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)=0A=C2=A0=0AWhat is goin=
g on????=C2=A0 how is this possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are replacing the batte=
ry but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must hav=
e mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.=0A=C2=A0=0ACan anyone exp=
lain this to me?=0A=C2=A0=0AAnd yes, we are replacing the battery=0A** tri=
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<html><body><div>For those of you who like tools, this is a great one for 
testing a ba=
ttery.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><a href=3D"https://ww=
w.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Das=
c_df_B0015PI7A4/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&amp;linkCode=3Ddf0&amp;hvadid=3D312280085=
431&amp;hvpos=3D&amp;hvnetw=3Dg&amp;hvrand=3D14838984143453092033&amp;hvpo=
ne=3D&amp;hvptwo=3D&amp;hvqmt=3D&amp;hvdev=3Dc&amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&amp;hvlocin=
t=3D&amp;hvlocphy=3D1013964&amp;hvtargid=3Dpla-499796143917&amp;psc=3D1">h=
ttps://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4=
/ref=3Dasc_df_B0015PI7A4/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&amp;linkCode=3Ddf0&amp;hvadid=3D=
312280085431&amp;hvpos=3D&amp;hvnetw=3Dg&amp;hvrand=3D14838984143453092033=
&amp;hvpone=3D&amp;hvptwo=3D&amp;hvqmt=3D&amp;hvdev=3Dc&amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&am=
p;hvlocint=3D&amp;hvlocphy=3D1013964&amp;hvtargid=3Dpla-499796143917&amp;p=
sc=3D1</a></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>I don't know why =
it's brand is SOLAR, there is nothing solar about it. &nbsp;The battery do=
esn't need to be fully charged either, or disconnected from the car. &nbsp=
;You enter the type of battery and the CCA it's rated for, it runs a test =
and along with OK, Charge and Fail, it will show you how&nbsp;many CCAs ar=
e left. &nbsp;I recently checked a 5 year old Optima Red Top battery I run=
 in my TR3 rated at&nbsp;800 CCA. &nbsp;It tested good, and still has 720 =
CCAs.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div class=3D"x-apple-signa=
ture">Rye<br>PH: 530-FIND-RYE</div><div><br>On June 14, 2020 at 8:56 AM, d=
ave &lt;dave@ranteer.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote" lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purpl=
e"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No, we attempted to =
put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a charger for so=
me period.&nbsp; The negative terminal sparked so we did not. &nbsp;We put=
 it back on the floor where we checked it with the multi meter.&nbsp; &nbs=
p;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We also doub=
le checked that we had the ground <b>cable</b> to the engine and the posit=
ive <b>cable</b> to the electrical system.&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;</p><div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; pa=
dding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: sol=
id #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>F=
rom:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
June 14, 2020 10:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; d=
ata-mce-href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>; <a href=3D"=
mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is goi=
ng on?????</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><blockquote sty=
le=3D"border: none; border-left: solid blue 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 2.=
0pt; margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"border: n=
one; border-left: solid blue 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 2.0pt; margin-top=
: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color=
: black;">Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the posi=
tive to the electrical system.</span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',=
sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-famil=
y: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">The multimeter, with the red on the =
positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span></p></di=
v></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">=
&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">This b=
attery was apparently in the car.&nbsp; Did you check this battery right a=
t the terminals?</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bla=
ck;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-=
style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;=
">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-=
serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'A=
rial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; col=
or: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bla=
ck;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;=
 color: black;">-----Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:dave@ranteer.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@rant=
eer.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; data-mce=
-href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Se=
nt: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????<=
/span></p><div id=3D"yiv0701720275"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">Tested the battery out of the car</span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-f=
amily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D=
"yiv0701720275yqt44086"><div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E=
1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; bo=
rder-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: '=
Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"> DAVID=
 MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:=
dave1massey@cs.com">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, Ju=
ne 14, 2020 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; data=
-mce-href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:triumphs@autox.team.net" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.n=
et">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????</span></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black=
;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;">Did you test directly at the battery terminals?</span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-f=
amily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">It is possible to charge a dead =
battery in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the battery was complete dead and =
someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive cha=
rger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in=
 the wrong polarity.&nbsp; I've seen it done.</span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=
=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&n=
bsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">Many of the smart chargers will not do this=
.&nbsp; Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old sty=
le chargers don't care.</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-famil=
y: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;=
 font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;">Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause =
all manner of problems.&nbsp; It is not recommended.</span><span style=3D"=
font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mc=
e-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: blac=
k;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bla=
ck;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family=
: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div styl=
e=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: 'Arial'=
,sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span=
></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;=
</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; =
color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;=
 color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',=
sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; =
font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-siz=
e: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></di=
v></div><div><div style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"margi=
n-bottom: 12.0pt;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt=
; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">-----Original=
 Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; data-m=
ce-href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:triumphs@auto=
x.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am=
<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span></p></div><div id=3D"yiv=
0701720275"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">=
Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; posit=
ive</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
0.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"f=
ont-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></d=
iv></div><div id=3D"yiv0701720275yqt86616"><div style=3D"border: none; bor=
der-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D=
"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in=
;"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; f=
ont-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size=
: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;"> Geo Hahn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com"; d=
ata-mce-href=3D"mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com";>ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>=
dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.te=
am.net" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.te=
am.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"=
font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div></d=
iv><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font=
-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 1=
0.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><d=
iv><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font=
-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 1=
0.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Have you confirmed =
that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter?</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0p=
t; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div></div>=
<div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fo=
nt-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size:=
 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">On many modes the=
y can be reversed.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; c=
olor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bl=
ack;"></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: b=
lack;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-seri=
f; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; col=
or: black;"></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; co=
lor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',san=
s-serif; color: black;">Geo</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; =
color: black;"></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif=
; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial'=
,sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-=
serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; data-mce-href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>=
dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',=
sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;"></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style=3D"borde=
r: none; border-left: solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; mar=
gin: 5.0pt 0in 5.0pt 4.8pt;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-left: =
solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt; margin: 5.0pt 0in 5.0pt 4=
.8pt;"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D=
"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">We bou=
ght a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn=E2=80=99t run=
ning or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.</span><span style=3D"=
font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-=
family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: =
'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sa=
ns-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Today we finally got it running and dr=
iving using a known good battery from another car.</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-famil=
y: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial'=
,sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'A=
rial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: '=
Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a c=
harger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we suc=
ceeded in getting it running and driving.</span><span style=3D"font-family=
: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial=
',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Aria=
l',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Ar=
ial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',san=
s-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; c=
olor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sa=
ns-serif; color: black;">Hooked up the positive first, then touching the n=
egative caused a spark!!!!</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-=
serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; c=
olor: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: blac=
k;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; =
color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif=
; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color=
: black;">Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the posi=
tive to the electrical system.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-seri=
f; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-s=
erif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; co=
lor: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black=
;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; c=
olor: black;">The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and th=
e black on the negative, read -9.97</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; co=
lor: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',san=
s-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-seri=
f; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-ser=
if; color: black;">Reversed it and got 9.97.</span><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Ar=
ial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Ari=
al',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'A=
rial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sa=
ns-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; =
color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',s=
ans-serif; color: black;">Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multi=
meter is not broken.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif;=
 color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: =
black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color:=
 black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; colo=
r: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black=
;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mc=
e-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: blac=
k;">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good=
 battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)</span><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'A=
rial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans=
-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: '=
Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family:=
 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial'=
,sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-seri=
f; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial=
',sans-serif; color: black;">What is going on????&nbsp; how is this possib=
le?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me thi=
s story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that it=
s not possible.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; colo=
r: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black=
;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mc=
e-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: blac=
k;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: bl=
ack;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></=
span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-sty=
le=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">C=
an anyone explain this to me?</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sa=
ns-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif=
; color: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: b=
lack;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-seri=
f; color: black;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-se=
rif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; col=
or: black;"></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;=
" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; co=
lor: black;">And yes, we are replacing the battery</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-famil=
y: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"></span></p></div></div></div></div><=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-fam=
ily: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0p=
t; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">** <a href=3D"mailto:tr=
iumphs@autox.team.net" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>tr=
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