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Re: [TR] what is going on?????

from [DAVID MASSEY] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: "dave@ranteer.com" <dave@ranteer.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:30:52 +0000 (UTC)
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Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the=
 electrical system.=C2=A0The multimeter, with the red on the positive termi=
nal and the black on the negative, read -9.97

 This battery was apparently in the car.=C2=A0 Did you check this battery r=
ight at the terminals?
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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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v0701720275 Tested the battery out of the car =C2=A0From: DAVID MASSEY <dav=
e1massey@cs.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM
To: dave@ranteer.com; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? =C2=A0Did you test directly at the =
battery terminals? =C2=A0It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wro=
ng polarity.=C2=A0 If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up t=
he charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG=
 battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.=
=C2=A0 I've seen it done. =C2=A0Many of the smart chargers will not do this=
.=C2=A0 Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old styl=
e chargers don't care. =C2=A0Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse p=
olarity will cause all manner of problems.=C2=A0 It is not recommended. =C2=
=A0Dave  =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????Yes.=C2=A0 I tested the good battery=
 and it showed 12.7 volts.=C2=A0 positive=C2=A0From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@g=
mail.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
To: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????=C2=A0Have you confirmed that the le=
ads are correctly connected at the multimeter?=C2=A0On many modes they can =
be reversed.=C2=A0Geo=C2=A0On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <dave@ranteer=
.com> wrote:
We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).=C2=A0 Wasn=E2=80=99=
t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.=C2=A0Today we fin=
ally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car=
.=C2=A0Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and =
decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running =
and driving.=C2=A0Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative =
caused a spark!!!!=C2=A0Double checked that we had the ground to the engine=
 and the positive to the electrical system.=C2=A0The multimeter, with the r=
ed on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97=C2=A0=
Reversed it and got 9.97.=C2=A0Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the m=
ultimeter is not broken.=C2=A0Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again,=
 same results.=C2=A0 Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)=C2=
=A0What is going on????=C2=A0 how is this possible?=C2=A0 Yes, we are repla=
cing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told hi=
m he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.=C2=A0Can anyo=
ne explain this to me?=C2=A0And yes, we are replacing the battery** triumph=
s@autox.team.net **

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family:sans-serif;color:black;">The multimeter, with the red on the positiv=
e terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span></div>
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<div><font size=3D"3">This battery was apparently in the car.&nbsp; Did you=
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Original Message-----<br>
From: dave &lt;dave@ranteer.com&gt;<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal">Tested the battery out of the car</di=
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;dave1ma=
ssey@cs.com&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 =
AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> dave@ranteer.com; triumphs@autox.team.net<b=
r clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</div>
</div>

<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Did you test directly at the battery termin=
als?</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">It is possible to charge a dead battery in =
the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the battery was complete dead and someone hook=
ed up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to =
the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong pol=
arity.&nbsp; I've seen it done.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Many of the smart chargers will not do this=
.&nbsp; Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old styl=
e chargers don't care.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Connecting a battery to a car in the revers=
e polarity will cause all manner of problems.&nbsp; It is not recommended.<=
/span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave </span=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"></spa=
n></div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">-----Origin=
al Message-----<br clear=3D"none">From: dave &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:dave@ranteer.com">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">To: <a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.=
net</a><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am<br clear=3D"none"=
>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it=
 showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; positive</span></div>
</div>

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family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> Geo Hahn &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com";>ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br cle=
ar=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b=
>To:</b> dave &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave=
@ranteer.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@rante=
er.com</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none"=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span></div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Have you confirmed that the leads are corre=
ctly connected at the multimeter?</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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</div>

<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">On many modes they can be reversed.</span><=
/div>
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family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Geo</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a r=
el=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:</span></div>
</div>
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<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jee=
p actually).&nbsp; Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed some work, bat=
tery was dead.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Today we finally got it running and driving=
 using a known good battery from another car.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a char=
ger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeed=
ed in getting it running and driving.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Hooked up the positive first, then touching=
 the negative caused a spark!!!!</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Double checked that we had the ground to th=
e engine and the positive to the electrical system.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">The multimeter, with the red on the positiv=
e terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Reversed it and got 9.97.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the =
multimeter is not broken.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery agai=
n, same results.&nbsp; Good battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)</s=
pan></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">What is going on????&nbsp; how is this poss=
ible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me th=
is story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that it=
s not possible.</span></div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">Can anyone explain this to me?</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;color:black;">And yes, we are replacing the battery</span=
></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

<div>
<div class=3D"yiv0701720275MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
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