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Dave, I'll do your apron, you rewire my steering shaft :)
> On May 22, 2020, at 9:50 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:=
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> Andrew ~ =20
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> Art tells me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 minutes! That's some=
mighty fast wrenching!!
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> Dave
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>> On Fri, May 22, 2020, 7:00 PM Art McEwen <amcewen2@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> I've almost got him convinced to take it off :)
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>>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>=
wrote:
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>>> Ask David Friedlander if it can be done without removing the front apro=
n. I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 trying to get=
his steering right.
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>>> Andrew Uprichard
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>>> From: Art McEwen <amcewen2@cogeco.ca>=20
>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:35 AM
>>> To: andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>; triumphs@autox.team.net=
>>> Subject: RE: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild
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>>> Further update.=20
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>>> So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the s=
teering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled during=
that and caused binding. When I took it all off and reset everything with=
a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed good on 2nd install. =
The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some stiffness too.
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>>> BTW some claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore=
presumably the rad), I'd pay good money to see that on youtube....
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>>> On 05/17/20, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
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>>> (Where is Randall when you need him? =F0=9F=98=8A)
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>>> When you say "significantly tighter" is this turning the steering with t=
he tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with a=
finger tip if the car is in the air. You should also be able to grab a whe=
el and take it through its full range of motion (everything connected) fairl=
y easily.
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>>> The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything=
, should just be soaked in oil prior to installation. =20
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>>> If it is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference,=
the pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the bo=
ttom of the box than the bearings themselves. Did you follow the method Ran=
dall suggests with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?
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>>> Andrew Uprichard
>>> Jackson, Michigan
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Art McEwen=
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM
>>> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild
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>>> Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on th=
e bench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter. Not quite a=
parking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort.=
And this is while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off. I=
loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no differenc=
e. It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight=
lock to lock. I waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightening t=
he box attachment bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.=
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>>> Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in t=
he split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering whe=
el? =20
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>>> Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled?
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>>> Thanks,
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>>> Art. 60tr
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>Dave, I'll do your apron, y=
ou rewire my steering shaft :)</div><div><br>On May 22, 2020, at 9:50 PM, Da=
vid Friedlander <<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com";>forzion7@gmail.com=
</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Andrew ~ <div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Art tell=
s me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 minutes! That's some mighty fa=
st wrenching!!<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave</div></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Fri, May 22, 2020, 7:00 PM Art McEwen <<a href=3D"mailto:amcewen2@cogec=
o.ca">amcewen2@cogeco.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>I've almost got him convinced to take i=
t off :)</div><div><br>On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>auprichard@uprichard.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times N=
ew Roman",serif;color:#1f497d">Ask David Friedlander if it can be=
done without removing the front apron. I think he has just spent seve=
ral days lying under his TR3 trying to get his steering right.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New=
Roman",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;col=
or:#1f497d">Andrew Uprichard<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1f497d">=
<u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e=
1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> A=
rt McEwen <<a href=3D"mailto:amcewen2@cogeco.ca"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">amcewen2@cogeco.ca</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 22, 202=
0 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard <<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@up=
richard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">auprichard@uprichard.net</=
a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"=
noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Tr3a ste=
ering tight after rebuild<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Further update. <u></u><u></=
u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end c=
ap on the steering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something set=
tled during that and caused binding. When I took it all off and r=
eset everything with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed go=
od on 2nd install. The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft adde=
d some stiffness too.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BTW some claim this c=
an be done without removing the cowl (and therefore presumably the rad), I'd=
pay good money to see that on youtube....<br><br>On 05/17/20, <b>andrew upr=
ichard </b><<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
rel=3D"noreferrer">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p=
><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.0pt;padding:0in 0=
in 0in 10.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">(Where is Randall when you=
need him? <span style=3D"font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-=
serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span>)<br><br>When you say "significantly tighter" is t=
his turning the steering with the tie rods connected ? You should be able to=
turn the steering wheel with a finger tip if the car is in the air. Y=
ou should also be able to grab a wheel and take it through its full range of=
motion (everything connected) fairly easily.<br><br>The felt at the steerin=
g wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything, should just be soaked in o=
il prior to installation. <br><br>If it is binding, and not eased by l=
oosening the box (and, by inference, the pressure on the peg) it is probably=
related more to the shims at the bottom of the box than the bearings themse=
lves. Did you follow the method Randall suggests with measuring end-fl=
oat and shimming appropriately?<br><br>Andrew Uprichard<br>Jackson, Michigan=
<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:t=
riumphs-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumph=
s-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Art McEwen<br>Sent: Sunday, Ma=
y 17, 2020 2:11 PM<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: [TR] Tr3=
a steering tight after rebuild<br><br>Re-installed my rebuilt steering box a=
nd, even though it felt fine on the bench, back in the car the steering is s=
ignificantly tighter. Not quite a parking lot 3-point turn level of ef=
fort but well beyond finger tip effort. And this is while still up on j=
acks with the set screw backed right off. I loosened off the shim cove=
r bolts thinking I was too tight but no difference. It doesn't feel li=
ke it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight lock to lock. I=
waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightening the box attachment=
bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.<br><br>Could thi=
s really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the split shaf=
t (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering wheel? <br=
><br>Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Art.=
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