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Which should he do first?=C2=A0 TR3/4 or TR6/GT6.=C2=A0 Or maybe the Spitf=
ire.
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Dave=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: bill beecher <bill_beecher@flash.net>
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey@cs.com>; aljlthomson <aljlthomson@charter.n=
et>; triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 9:22 am
Subject: RE: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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144452 Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.=C2=A0 Joe, how about it?B=
ill =C2=A0From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey@cs.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
To: aljlthomson@charter.net; bill_beecher@flash.net; triumphs@autox.team.ne=
t
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer? =C2=A0A couple advisories about using RTV=
that I have picked up over the years.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Not all RTV sealants ar=
e the same.=C2=A0 Some are oil resistant and others are not.=C2=A0 "Automot=
ive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields =
and such.=C2=A0 Check the manufacturer's website.=C2=A0 Ultra Black, I beli=
eve, is oil resistant.=C2=A0 None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant=
. =C2=A0When=C2=A0 using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the =
parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.=C2=A0 Th=
is will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleb=
erries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of =
expensive problems. =C2=A0When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a p=
iece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact =
ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint. =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick=
the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardenin=
g to allow for easy removal/resintallation.=C2=A0 Until Joe Alexander produ=
ces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.=C2=A0 ;-) =C2=A0Dave =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>
To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher@flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?I have had good results with Permatex =E2=
=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember t=
hat years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which =
remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for wh=
ite cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark=
color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,=C2=A0 etc., etc. The choic=
es on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the v=
arieties of Loctite that you can buy.=C2=A0I have found that many gaskets f=
or tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gas=
ket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being s=
ealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead i=
s needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting,=
you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent int=
erface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine =
and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming=
entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. =
Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=99=
s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a comp=
artment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pa=
ns, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=
=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 m=
ust be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron sur=
face plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years=
ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big ta=
ble saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small pa=
rts for flatness.=C2=A0Alex Thomson=C2=A0From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bo=
unces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?=C2=A0Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh =
powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.=C2=A0 My first thought =
is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom =
of the List on this?=C2=A0=C2=A0 BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condit=
ion.=C2=A0Thanks,BillTS30800L =C2=A0
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<div> <font size=3D"3">Which should he do first? TR3/4 or TR6/GT6.&nb=
sp; Or maybe the Spitfire.<br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: bill beecher <bill_beecher@flash.net><br>
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey@cs.com>; aljlthomson <aljlthomson@=
charter.net>; triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 9:22 am<br>
Subject: RE: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Tha=
nks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too. Joe, how about it?</span></di=
v>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Bil=
l</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dav=
e1massey@cs.com] <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 5, 202=
0 7:26 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> aljlthomson@charter.net; bill_beeche=
r@flash.net; triumphs@autox.team.net<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span></div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>A couple advisories about using=
RTV that I have picked up over the years. </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>Not all RTV sealants are the sa=
me. Some are oil resistant and others are not. "Automotive" RTV=
may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such=
. Check the manufacturer's website. Ultra Black, I believe, is =
oil resistant. None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.</span>=
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>When using RTV sealants, =
apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant parti=
ally set before tightening. This will reduce the tendency for the sea=
lant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages =
in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>When using RTV in the absence o=
f a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal=
-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points a=
long the joint.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>As for me, I prefer to use Form=
agasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to on=
e part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.&=
nbsp; Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue t=
o do so. ;-)</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;">Dave </span><span></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">F=
rom: Alex & Janet Thomson <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank" removedli=
nk__59f96aa4-7996-480b-b105-9c2dddaa6319__href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charte=
r.net">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">To: 'bill beecher'=
<<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:bill_b=
eecher@flash.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__59f96aa4-7996-480b-b105-9c=
2dddaa6319__href=3D"mailto:bill_beecher@flash.net";>bill_beecher@flash.net</=
a>>; 'Triumphs' <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" removedlink__59f96aa=
4-7996-480b-b105-9c2dddaa6319__href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triu=
mphs@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 p=
m<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span></div>
<div id=3D"yiv2913144452">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>I have had good results with Pe=
rmatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to =
remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and=
#2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket g=
oop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different produc=
t for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines, etc., etc.=
The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just =
like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;"></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;"></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>I have found that many gaskets =
for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the ga=
sket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being =
sealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead =
is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting=
, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent in=
terface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine=
and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becomin=
g entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places.=
Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=
=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a c=
ompartment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil=
pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechani=
c=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 =
must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron su=
rface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Year=
s ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big t=
able saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small p=
arts for flatness.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;"></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span>Alex Thomson</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span> </span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;"></span></div>
</div>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Triumphs [<a rel=3D"noop=
ener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" removedlink__59f96aa4-7996-480b-b105-9c2dddaa6319=
__href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:triumphs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bill beecher<br clear=3D"none"><b>Se=
nt:</b> Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> 'Tr=
iumphs'<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nb=
sp;</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Rep=
lacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the=
best sealer. My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the g=
asket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this? BTW, =
both surfaces are in excellent condition.</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nb=
sp;</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Tha=
nks,</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Bil=
l</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">TS3=
0800L</span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv2913144452MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</span></div>
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