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Subject: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:16:21 -0500
Ahhhh,   That was "Tough Love",  Kas.

I was a vintage racer for over thirty years, and it was my experience that 
while the Vintage Sanctioning Bodies all seemed to have good intentions 
maintaining 'legal' race cars, they really did not have the horse power, nor 
where with-all to police such matters effectively.  At one point the VSCDA came 
up with an idea to get the individual Race Groups heavily involved in policing. 
 There were group Captains.  Things improved for a while.  Cheaters were 
exposed.  But eventually it went away.  Too much bickering.  The GAIN did not 
exceed the PAIN.  No one wanted to be Captain.  The idea went away.

Bill Dentinger




-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskastner at gmail.com>
To: BillDentin at aol.com <billdentin at aol.com>
Cc: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>; fot at autox. team. net <fot at 
autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 8, 2018 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?



In the 50's to early 70's days of the California Sports Car Club, if you were 
caught, and many were, with parts or items that were not allowed you were given 
a chance to defend yourself at the Contest Board meeting (once a month) and if 
they found proof you were guilty as charged, you lost your license for a YEAR. 
That's it, you did not race for a year in any class. 


I ran the Rules Enforcement group and was on the Contest Board which consisted 
of current drivers in several classes. It was found most of the cheating took 
place from about 6th  place back to about 10th place. Nothing much before that 
position or after the 10th place. Some entrants never understood that other 
drivers REALLY were FAST and thus they thought the leaders were the cheaters 
and that just was not true at all. Interesting. No one wanted to have the name 
"cheater" attached to their name. Several cars were checked each race by 
lottery for cubic capacity, weight, gears ratios, body panels and other major 
parts. It was pretty pure racing.




Never be beaten by equipment.



On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
wrote:

Good for SVRA. If I were the Vintage Grand Poo Pah, I would take a note of tire 
cheaters on the False Grid, and then bring em in with a Meat Ball Flag after 
one lap in the Feature Race. 


Bill Dentinger


PS Three sets of tires needed.  One for qualifying...one for the feature 
race...and a special set for Tech. That latter set can be experienced, but must 
have a minimum tread depth.



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:08 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:




The only item that SVRA regularly checks is tires from my experience.  And they 
do that at each gridding.



On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
wrote:

We have not had issues with stock calipers.  We run Hawk or Carbotech brake 
pads and good brake fluid.  We do bleed the brakes regularly and all seems to 
be working good.


It would be nice to get the benefit of less unsprung weight on the front 
suspension by switching to aluminum.  However, I do not know of any vintage 
organization that really allows it by their rules.  We all know that that do 
not get enforced on a regular basis.  However, I do think SVRA has made a great 
effort to get people to use a stock type caliper at their events. 



Paul





On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:





I?m still using the original brakes the car came with.
I?ve put in some nice brake pads and that is working well for me.
 
Cheers
Chris
 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. M?rz 2018 17:28
An: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
Cc: Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?

 
Good call, Scott.  The Wilwood calipers are aluminum, but otherwise look very 
similar to the the P or PB calipers.
 
DH

On March 8, 2018 at 8:21 AM Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:

good to check your club rules first though, if enforced.  VRG says you need to 
use the original equipment, and SVRA says 
Alternate calipers or wheel cylinders must be of the same material, design and 
number of pistons as the original component. There must be no increase in the 
frictional surface of the pads or shoes. 

 

On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:09 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 

The quality of the new calipers is somewhat suspect, but seem to work as needed.
The first pair that I bought from BPNW had a yellow (anodized ?) finish with 
numbers in the castings.  The second pair from BPNW 4 years later have a silver 
finish and no numbers in the casting which made me wonder about the quality.  
My first set has been on my car from 2013.  13 race weekends a total of 3,800 
miles.
Wilwood makes beautiful replacements now.  They are anodized black.  I far as I 
can tell, they will fit our Triumphs, but haven't made a complete comparison.  
Of course the price is higher, but more equivalent to the importance of good 
brakes. 

DH



On March 8, 2018 at 2:54 AM Henry Frye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


I have seen these available for a while now, but fear they are made 
somewhere we don't want to know from materials I don't want to think 
about. I'm not brave enough to put one of these on a street car, let 
alone my race car.

Has anybody tried these calipers yet? Any feedback???

As long as good cores are available for 16P's, I'm rebuilding OEM 
calipers.

Henry

On 2018-03-07 23:24, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:




BTW, the PB calipers are available new for around $100 each new.
That's pretty inexpensive for such an important part.  I purchased
another set when I thought I might be having a problem, but ended up
just changing pads.  I'm glad to have a new pair standing by.  Then I
can rebuild at my leisure.

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