--===============7200052848195324543==
--001a113df31a47285c053902ae22
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave -
One thing you might try -- I believe the pistons and carb bodies are
supposed to be a matched set, i.e. you are not supposed to swap them. But
not knowing what might have occurred in the past you could see what the
pistons behave like if you do swap them between the two carbs.
The metal piece you describe sounds like a heat shield and the rear carb
has a bit of a leak.
As for difficulty leaning the mix on one carb - you might want to verify
the fuel level in the bowls and assure the valves are not sticking and the
floats have not gotten sodden with fuel. A length of thin wire bent into
an 'L' can be slipped alongside a float and turned to catch it and lift it
out. Then you can shake the float and listen to hear if fuel has gotten
inside.
Geo
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 1:33 PM, David Griffiths <daveg@online.no> wrote:
> Hello all. I would welcome some advice on one of the carbs on my TR3,
> #15005. It=E2=80=99s primarily the rear one that is giving me trouble.
>
> The car has been running too rich for a long while and I decided to sort
> it out on the weekend. I took the air filters off. The first thing of
> interest was a difference in the behaviour of the two pistons. Both carbs
> have damper oil in them. The piston of the front carb was pretty hard to
> push up - I pushed a good way, and when I let go it fell quickly down to
> the bottom with a satisfying metallic thud. The rear piston didn=E2=80=99=
t offer
> the same resistance to being manually displaced upward. It was easier to
> push up, and when I let go of it, it fell more slowly down and not with a
> metal to metal click - more a soft noise. However, when I removed the
> damper, it fell quickly and with the same =E2=80=9Cclack=E2=80=9D as the =
forward carb. So
> it=E2=80=99s centering properly I think. I removed the chamber, spring an=
d piston
> and cleaned them carefully, and put them back in, but still exactly the
> same behaviour. Both carbs have the same damper oil. So that is one thing
> that puzzles me.
>
> The front carb is running a bit rich - it shows yellow on the Gunson
> colortune, but the plugs are ok and the rpm does not increase to speak of
> when I lift the piston a little.
> The rear carb, judged by the thick, black layer of soot on the plugs, is =
a
> lot worse. When I lift the piston the revs increase noticeably and stay
> there. The trouble is, that even with the mixture adjusting nut screwed
> totally upwards it=E2=80=99s still far too rich. The car may be sucking a=
bit of
> air along the throttle shaft, but this should if anything lean out the mi=
x.
>
> There is one more thing that might be important, but I haven=E2=80=99t re=
searched
> it up yet. Just under each carb there is some kind of metal contact with
> the exhaust manifold, a kind of metal buttress or similar. It was hard to
> get a good look at it today. Well this is wet on the rear one and dry on
> the front one. I can=E2=80=99t say more just yet until I get a better loo=
k at this
> area. There is some smoke wifting up from that area after the metal heats
> up, but it doesn=E2=80=99t smell like burning fuel or oil.
>
> The car runs very well and I think that the rest of the motor is more or
> less properly adjusted. Valves are good, breaker gap is correct, plugs ar=
e
> new and gap correct. Timing is ok. Coil I have not checked, but the car
> runs and idles fine.
>
> So there it is. One problem - mixture too rich even with nut screwed up t=
o
> the max. One maybe problem - piston of same (rear) carb falls slowly.
>
> Very grateful for any suggestions,
> Dave
>
> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com
>
--001a113df31a47285c053902ae22
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dave -</div><div><br></div><div>One thing you might t=
ry -- I believe the pistons and carb bodies are supposed to be a matched se=
t, i.e. you are not supposed to swap them.=C2=A0 But not knowing what might=
have occurred in the past you could see what the pistons behave like if yo=
u do swap them between the two carbs.</div><div><br></div><div>The metal pi=
ece you describe sounds like a heat shield and the rear carb has a bit of a=
leak.</div><div><br></div><div>As for difficulty leaning the mix on one ca=
rb - you might=C2=A0want to verify the fuel level in the bowls and assure t=
he valves are not sticking and the floats have not gotten sodden with fuel.=
=C2=A0 A length of thin wire bent into an 'L' can be slipped alongs=
ide a float and turned to catch it and lift it out.=C2=A0 Then you can shak=
e the float and listen to hear if fuel has gotten inside.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 1:33 PM, David Griffiths <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:daveg@online.no"; target=3D"_blank">daveg@online.no</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello all. I would welc=
ome some advice on one of the carbs on my TR3, #15005. It=E2=80=99s primari=
ly the rear one that is giving me trouble.<br>
<br>
The car has been running too rich for a long while and I decided to sort it=
out on the weekend. I took the air filters off. The first thing of interes=
t was a difference in the behaviour of the two pistons. Both carbs have dam=
per oil in them. The piston of the front carb was pretty hard to push up - =
I pushed a good way, and when I let go it fell quickly down to the bottom w=
ith a satisfying metallic thud. The rear piston didn=E2=80=99t offer the sa=
me resistance to being manually displaced upward. It was easier to push up,=
and when I let go of it, it fell more slowly down and not with a metal to =
metal click - more a soft noise. However, when I removed the damper, it fel=
l quickly and with the same =E2=80=9Cclack=E2=80=9D as the forward carb. So=
it=E2=80=99s centering properly I think. I removed the chamber, spring and=
piston and cleaned them carefully, and put them back in, but still exactly=
the same behaviour. Both carbs have the same damper oil. So that is one th=
ing that puzzles me.<br>
<br>
The front carb is running a bit rich - it shows yellow on the Gunson colort=
une, but the plugs are ok and the rpm does not increase to speak of when I =
lift the piston a little.<br>
The rear carb, judged by the thick, black layer of soot on the plugs, is a =
lot worse. When I lift the piston the revs increase noticeably and stay the=
re. The trouble is, that even with the mixture adjusting nut screwed totall=
y upwards it=E2=80=99s still far too rich. The car may be sucking a bit of =
air along the throttle shaft, but this should if anything lean out the mix.=
<br>
<br>
There is one more thing that might be important, but I haven=E2=80=99t rese=
arched it up yet. Just under each carb there is some kind of metal contact =
with the exhaust manifold, a kind of metal buttress or similar. It was hard=
to get a good look at it today. Well this is wet on the rear one and dry o=
n the front one. I can=E2=80=99t say more just yet until I get a better loo=
k at this area. There is some smoke wifting up from that area after the met=
al heats up, but it doesn=E2=80=99t smell like burning fuel or oil.<br>
<br>
The car runs very well and I think that the rest of the motor is more or le=
ss properly adjusted. Valves are good, breaker gap is correct, plugs are ne=
w and gap correct. Timing is ok. Coil I have not checked, but the car runs =
and idles fine.<br>
<br>
So there it is. One problem - mixture too rich even with nut screwed up to =
the max. One maybe problem - piston of same (rear) carb falls slowly.<br>
<br>
Very grateful for any suggestions,<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a> *=
*<br>
<br>
=3D"noreferrer">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/archive"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br>
Forums: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/forums"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br>
hs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://autox.=
team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
--001a113df31a47285c053902ae22--
--===============7200052848195324543==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
** triumphs@autox.team.net **
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
--===============7200052848195324543==--
|