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The mystery continues.=0A=0AFirst off my bad. =C2=A0It's clearly blue-ish =
smoke, not white. =C2=A0It's=C2=A0burning oil not water.=0A=0ASo today I c=
leaned up the plugs and fired it up again to get it up to normal operating=
temperature, and the smoke was billowing down the street like police had =
been throwing out tear gas canisters. =C2=A0Your comment was if it lingers=
for a moment or three it's oil. This cloud is lingering for 10-20 plus se=
conds as it was rolling down the street.=0A=0AGot it warmed up and first d=
id a leak down test. =C2=A0Rotated the engine to get each piston at the to=
p of it's stroke with the values closed for ignition, then put 100 psi=C2=A0=
into each cylinder and 1, 3 and 4 held steady at 98psi.=C2=A0#2 held stead=
y at 95psi. =C2=A0No issues uncovered.=0A=0ANext was a compression test. =C2=
=A0Engine still warm,=C2=A0throttle wide open, all four came up to 150 lbs=
plus 1-2 lbs. No issues uncovered.=0A=0ASo our thoughts at this point is =
it can't be a head gasket if we're getting good compression numbers and go=
od leak down test numbers.=0A=0AAdditional info - When I bought this TR4a =
head for this rebuild, it had been serviced many years ago but never insta=
lled on an engine. =C2=A0The machine shop tore it down and installed new h=
ardened valve seats and checked everything out - supposedly. =C2=A0I was t=
old the valves, valve springs and valve guides were all good, but now we'r=
e thinking this whole thing could be related to bad valve guides.=0A=0ANot=
that this should matter, but I also installed a big bore kit so sleeves a=
nd pistons are all new.=0A=0AI expect the head will come off again but hop=
e to zero in on the problem before dismantling it.=0A=0ARegards,=0ARye=0A=0A=
=0A=0A=0AOn Oct 15, 2015, at 07:46 PM, ptegler <ptegler@verizon.net> wrote=
:=0A=0Aseconded...=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 blue is 'burning' oil, not just su=
per heated oil blowby which is usually white.=0AIf it dissipates almost im=
mediately it's water, if it lingers for a moment or three.... its oil=0A=0A=
ptegler=0A=0AOn 10/15/2015 10:51 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:=0ALots of white sm=
oke doesn't always indicate water/coolant.=C2=A0 On my TR4 engine that had=
been freshly rebuilt when I bought it I had billowing clouds of white smo=
ke.=C2=A0 After several head gasket changes I finally realized that the ne=
w liners (liner & piston kit) had not been cross hatched so the rings didn=
't seat.=C2=A0 This allowed for massive amounts of oil to be sucked up and=
out the exhaust.=C2=A0 Result was white smoke.=0A=0ASo the question is, w=
ere the cylinder liners cross hatched so the rings would seal?=0A=0A=0AOn =
Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Chris Simo=C2=A0<ccsimonsen@gmail.com>=C2=A0=
wrote:=0AIs that water or oil? =C2=A0 =C2=A0Lots of white smoke would indi=
cate to me a blown head gasket and water on the plugs.=0A=0ADid you replac=
e the head gasket with a new one when you fixed the oil ring? =C2=A0 Proba=
bly not recommended, but I've reused them (1x) =C2=A0in the past, but alwa=
ys painted them with the copper coat head gasket paint.=0A=0AI've blown he=
ad gaskets that leaked water into the pistons only -- no water in the oil.=
=C2=A0 But you may want to check your oil for contamination.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
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if;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,=
sans-serif;">The mystery continues.</div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNST=
ext, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fami=
ly: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div sty=
le=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" dat=
a-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-se=
rif;">First off my bad. It's clearly blue-ish smoke, not white. &nbs=
p;It's burning oil not water.</div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSTex=
t, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family=
: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-=
mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-seri=
f;">So today I cleaned up the plugs and fired it up again to get it up to =
normal operating temperature, and the smoke was billowing down the street =
like police had been throwing out tear gas canisters. Your comment w=
as if it lingers for a moment or three it's oil. This cloud is lingering f=
or 10-20 plus seconds as it was rolling down the street.</div><div style=3D=
"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"=
><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetic=
a, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue',=
Helvetica, sans-serif;">Got it warmed up and first did a leak down test. =
Rotated the engine to get each piston at the top of it's stroke with=
the values closed for ignition, then put 100 psi into each cylinder =
and 1, 3 and 4 held steady at 98psi. #2 held steady at 95psi. N=
o issues uncovered.</div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica N=
eue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'He=
lvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family=
: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"fo=
nt-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;">Next was a =
compression test. Engine still warm, throttle wide open, all fo=
ur came up to 150 lbs plus 1-2 lbs. No issues uncovered.</div><div style=3D=
"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"=
><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetic=
a, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue',=
Helvetica, sans-serif;">So our thoughts at this point is it can't be a he=
ad gasket if we're getting good compression numbers and good leak down tes=
t numbers.</div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Hel=
vetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica N=
eue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSTex=
t, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family=
: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;">Additional info - Wh=
en I bought this TR4a head for this rebuild, it had been serviced many yea=
rs ago but never installed on an engine. The machine shop tore it do=
wn and installed new hardened valve seats and checked everything out - sup=
posedly. I was told the valves, valve springs and valve guides were =
all good, but now we're thinking this whole thing could be related to bad =
valve guides.</div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', =
Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetic=
a Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNS=
Text, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;">Not that this sho=
uld matter, but I also installed a big bore kit so sleeves and pistons are=
all new.</div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helv=
etica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Ne=
ue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText=
, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family:=
SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;">I expect the head wil=
l come off again but hope to zero in on the problem before dismantling it.=
</div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sa=
ns-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helv=
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ica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText=
, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;">Regards,</div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;">Ry=
e</div><div style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, s=
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vetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: SFNST=
ext, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br>On Oct 15, 2015, at 07:=
46 PM, ptegler <ptegler@verizon.net> wrote:<br><br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;"=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote">seconded...<br> &=
nbsp; blue is 'burning' oil, not just super heated oil blowby which =
is usually white.<br>If it dissipates almost immediately it's water, if it=
lingers for a moment or three.... its oil<br><br>ptegler<br><br><div clas=
s=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 10/15/2015 10:51 AM, Brad Kahler wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Lots of white smoke doesn't alw=
ays indicate water/coolant. On my TR4 engine that had been freshly r=
ebuilt when I bought it I had billowing clouds of white smoke. After=
several head gasket changes I finally realized that the new liners (liner=
& piston kit) had not been cross hatched so the rings didn't seat.&nb=
sp; This allowed for massive amounts of oil to be sucked up and out the ex=
haust. Result was white smoke.<div><br></div><div>So the question is=
, were the cylinder liners cross hatched so the rings would seal?</div><di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oc=
t 15, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Chris Simo <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:ccsimonsen@gmail.com" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:ccsimonsen@gmail.com";>c=
csimonsen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; bord=
er-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data=
-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-le=
ft-color: #cccccc; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Is that water or oil? Lots of white smoke would indicat=
e to me a blown head gasket and water on the plugs.<div><br></div><div>Did=
you replace the head gasket with a new one when you fixed the oil ring? &=
nbsp; Probably not recommended, but I've reused them (1x) in the pas=
t, but always painted them with the copper coat head gasket paint.<br><div=
><br></div><div>I've blown head gaskets that leaked water into the pistons=
only -- no water in the oil. But you may want to check your oil for=
contamination.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-sty=
le: solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-style: s=
olid; padding-left: 1ex;"><br></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br><br><=
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