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Well, there is a gent in Jolly Ole GB who retrofitted a BMW four pot turbo unit
into his TR6. He drives it everywhere and gets great fuel economy.
I have pictures at home.
I forgot his name.
Dave Massey
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From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>
To: John Macartney <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk>; Triumphs
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Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2015 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 road draft tube plug
John, do you -- or anyone else -- know of any diesel-engined TRs (!) over the
years? Somebody's probably done it at some point...
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, John Macartney
<john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
The wet liner four was used in:
All TR models from TR2 to TR4A
Triumph Renown
Triumph Roadster
All Standard Vanguards from 1948-1959/60 before being replaced by the 2 litre
six pot in the Vignale
There was also a Vanguard diesel variant in the mid 50's for car, van and
pick-up
The Ferguson Tractor (in modified forms)
Standard Ensign in 1.6 and 2.1 litre variants
Leyland 15 and 20 revamps of the (ghastly) Standard Atlas van / pick-up /
Minibus
Rover SD1 made in India
Morgan
Swallow Doretti
Warwick
And as an industrial power unit for trailer compressors, concrete mixers,
stand-by generators and pedestrian controlled road rollers - all of which were
as normally aspirated diesels.
Jonmac
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From: Triumphs [mailto: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad
Kahler
Sent: 09 September 2015 14:02
To: Dave < dave1massey@cs.com>
Cc: Triumphs < Triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 road draft tube plug
I forgot the TR3/4 engine was also used in a few other Triumph models. Maybe
Andy Mace will chime in with his knowledge of the other Triumph models.
Well, of course the upper part isn't sealed from the lower. The oil
pumped to the rockers has to drain back down somehow. As was mentioned
previously, it goes through the push rod tubes.
My guess is that the cover is used in other applications (Vanguard?)
and whatever it was for was not implemented on the TR. Not enough space under
the hood.
Dave Massey
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 road draft tube plug
Alan,
So much for the official Triumph documentation!
Does anyone know why the real early TR4s (and I think late TR3Bs) had
the brass plug in the top of the valve cover? I've never seen anything
relating to that plug written anywhere.
I don't think the bottom end can be completely sealed due to the
openings for the push rods. When the switch was made to the "sealed" system
the draft tube went away for good.
Thanks,
Brad
... Then at
engine number CT14234E through end of TR4 production
the
cars had air
filters with vent openings coming from a flame trap
from the valve
cover
along with a "sealed" valve cover cap and no road
draft tube. TR4As had
a
gulp valve with a vented (1/8" metered opening in the
cap) valve cover
cap
and no road draft tube. This information was found in
Service
Bulletin
I can tell you for certain that's incorrect. The change from
open breathing to flame-trap, etc. came later than that.
CT17791E (fitted to CT17602L, built in late October, 1962)
originally had the vented cap and the road draft tube.
The cap is the push on type, has big vents on the underside
and filled with coarse "steel wool" to reduce oil spray, I'm sure.
The road draft (or draught, I suppose) tube is large diameter,
press fit into the side of the block and locked in place with two screws (maybe
1/4 or 5/16").
The original valve cover has no vent, but it does have a large
brass plug where one could be fitted.
Never had a problem with oil out of the push on cap or an
unusual amount of leaks.... but the road draft tube kept most of the underside
of the car rust free!
The car now has an aftermarket cast alu valve cover with a
breather pipe and a low profile, twist-in filler cap (with a single, tiny
breather hole).
I've replaced the road draft tube, but didn't plug it. It now
has a nipple for a 1/2" or larger hose fitting. I don't think it's a good idea
to completely seal up the bottom end of the engine. It needs to be able to
breathe, same as the top end.
Car is not yet back on the road, but when it is the plan is
to have a catch tank or can fitted with a breather cap, with hoses running from
both the valve cover and the fitting at the draft tube.
I intend to use a catch can similar to this:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/jrc-555-6402
Alan Myers
San Jose Calif.
'62 TR4 CT17602L
http://www.triumphowners.com/to-car/tr4-14/
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I have pictures at home.<br>
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I forgot his name.<br>
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To: John Macartney <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk>; Triumphs
<Triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2015 1:42 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 road draft tube plug<br>
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years? Somebody's probably done it at some point...
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:48 AM, John Macartney
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The wet liner four was used in:
<br>
<br>
All TR models from TR2 to TR4A
<br>
Triumph Renown
<br>
Triumph Roadster
<br>
All Standard Vanguards from 1948-1959/60 before being replaced by the 2 litre
six pot in the Vignale
<br>
There was also a Vanguard diesel variant in the mid 50's for car, van and
pick-up
<br>
The Ferguson Tractor (in modified forms)
<br>
Standard Ensign in 1.6 and 2.1 litre variants
<br>
Leyland 15 and 20 revamps of the (ghastly) Standard Atlas van / pick-up /
Minibus
<br>
Rover SD1 made in India
<br>
Morgan
<br>
Swallow Doretti
<br>
Warwick
<br>
<br>
And as an industrial power unit for trailer compressors, concrete mixers,
stand-by generators and pedestrian controlled road rollers - all of which were
as normally aspirated diesels.
<br>
<br>
Jonmac
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: Triumphs [mailto:
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On Behalf Of Brad Kahler
<br>
Sent: 09 September 2015 14:02
<br>
To: Dave <
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href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>>
<br>
Cc: Triumphs <
<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:Triumphs@autox.team.net";>Triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>
<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 road draft tube plug
<br>
<br>
I forgot the TR3/4 engine was also used in a few other Triumph models.
Maybe Andy Mace will chime in with his knowledge of the other Triumph models.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Dave <
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>
<mailto:
<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com";>dave1massey@cs.com</a>> > wrote:
<br>
<br>
<br>
Well, of course the upper part isn't sealed from
the lower. The oil pumped to the rockers has to drain back down
somehow. As was mentioned previously, it goes through the push rod tubes.
<br>
<br>
My guess is that the cover is used in other
applications (Vanguard?) and whatever it was for was not implemented on the
TR. Not enough space under the hood.
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dave Massey
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----
<br>
From: Brad Kahler <
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:bkahler1@gmail.com";>bkahler1@gmail.com</a>
<mailto:
<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:bkahler1@gmail.com";>bkahler1@gmail.com</a>> >
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 road draft tube plug
<br>
<br>
<br>
Alan,
<br>
<br>
So much for the official Triumph documentation!
<br>
<br>
Does anyone know why the real early TR4s (and I
think late TR3Bs) had the brass plug in the top of the valve cover? I've
never seen anything relating to that plug written anywhere.
<br>
<br>
I don't think the bottom end can be completely
sealed due to the openings for the push rods. When the switch was made to
the "sealed" system the draft tube went away for good.
<br>
<br>
Thanks,
<br>
<br>
Brad
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Alan Myers <
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:amfoto1@aol.com";>amfoto1@aol.com</a>
<mailto:
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:amfoto1@aol.com";>amfoto1@aol.com</a>>
> wrote:
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
... Then at
<br>
engine number CT14234E through end of TR4 production the
<br>
cars had air
<br>
filters with vent openings coming from a flame trap from the valve
<br>
cover
<br>
along with a "sealed" valve cover cap and no road draft tube.
TR4As had
<br>
a
<br>
gulp valve with a vented (1/8" metered opening in the cap) valve cover
<br>
cap
<br>
and no road draft tube. This information was found in Service
<br>
Bulletin
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I can tell you for
certain that's incorrect. The change from open breathing to flame-trap, etc.
came later than that.
<br>
<br>
CT17791E (fitted to
CT17602L, built in late October, 1962) originally had the vented cap and the
road draft tube.
<br>
<br>
The cap is the push on
type, has big vents on the underside and filled with coarse "steel wool"
to reduce oil spray, I'm sure.
<br>
<br>
The road draft (or
draught, I suppose) tube is large diameter, press fit into the side of the
block and locked in place with two screws (maybe 1/4 or 5/16").
<br>
<br>
The original valve
cover has no vent, but it does have a large brass plug where one could be
fitted.
<br>
<br>
Never had a problem
with oil out of the push on cap or an unusual amount of leaks.... but the road
draft tube kept most of the underside of the car rust free!
<br>
<br>
The car now has an
aftermarket cast alu valve cover with a breather pipe and a low profile,
twist-in filler cap (with a single, tiny breather hole).
<br>
<br>
I've replaced the road
draft tube, but didn't plug it. It now has a nipple for a 1/2" or larger hose
fitting. I don't think it's a good idea to completely seal up the bottom end of
the engine. It needs to be able to breathe, same as the top end.
<br>
<br>
Car is not yet back on
the road, but when it is the plan is to have a catch tank or can fitted
with a breather cap, with hoses running from both the valve cover and the
fitting at the draft tube.
<br>
<br>
I intend to use a
catch can similar to this:
<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
href="http://www.summitracing.com/parts/jrc-555-6402";>http://www.summitracing.com/parts/jrc-555-6402</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Alan Myers
<br>
San Jose Calif.
<br>
'62 TR4 CT17602L
<br>
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<mailto:
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