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RE: TR4: Oil pressure feed pipe & tatooed stud

To: wdaehler@execpc.com, triumphs@Autox.Team.Net, "'ArthurK101@aol.com'" <ArthurK101@aol.com>
Subject: RE: TR4: Oil pressure feed pipe & tatooed stud
From: Gernot Vonhoegen <gernot.vonhoegen@stir.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:32:55 -0000charset="iso-8859-1"
may be that special bolt is supposed to be a banjo bolt? Not that I know
anything about 4's...

Gernot



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> Sent:         Thursday, November 26, 1998 7:16 PM
> To:   wdaehler@execpc.com; triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject:      Re: TR4:  Oil pressure feed pipe & tatooed stud
> 
> 
> In a message dated 98-11-25 23:07:09 EST, wdaehler@execpc.com writes:
> 
> > I can't believe this is the right stud.  It looks like a normal 5/16 th
> >  stud with fine thread on one end and course on the other.  I threaded
> it
> >  into the block.  How is the pressure of engine oil supposed to slip out
> >  to the ring on the oil feed hose?  Osmosis?  Telepathy?  This stud is
> >  way too short anyway.  By the time all the hardware is assembled, there
> >  is nothing left for the acorn to grab onto.
> >  
> >  The Moss TR4 catalog is no help.  Every piece of hardware is listed and
> >  available, except this stud.  Balloon #39 is missing.  That the part I
> >  need.  Missing for a good reason I bet.  
> >  
> >  The stud I would expect to see would be a specialized one.  Machined in
> >  some way.  Like hollowed out, or slotted, drilled, turned or milled.
> >  Or in some way tatooed.
> >  
> >  Can anyone help?
> >  
> 
> According to the Haynes manual:
> "... 2. Fit a new filter head gasket having first inserted the four
> retaining
> bolts.  Note that they are of different lengths, the longer one being
> fitted
> to the top right and bottom right hand sides (photo).
> 
> 3. The bolt on the bottom left is hollow and also secures the oil pressure
> gauge pressure pipe union.  Assemble the union to the  bolt with fiber
> washers
> on either side of the union and fit to the filter head. 
> 
> 4. With the four bolts with spring washers in position tighten the bolts
> in a
> diagonal manner.
> 
> 5. On some engines a special stud was fitted instead of the bolt, in which
> case the pressure pipe was connected to the filter head instead."  [The
> only
> picture shows the four bolt configuration.]
> 
> I just checked my TR4 CT 33118L.  It appears to have a bolt fitted.  My
> car is
> rather late in the run and my workshop manual (which shows a stud) is an
> early
> edition.  Maybe Triumph changed from the stud to a hollow bolt.   A
> drawing in
> the factory workshop manual shows a stud, 2 fiber washers and a cap nut.
> It
> also shows that the oil pressure line has a circular end (the "union"
> mentioned above) which fits over the stud.  So you have the filter
> mounting
> with the stud protruding, - a washer is fitted over the stud, then the end
> of
> the oil pressure line, then another washer, then the cap nut.  No
> explanation
> is given about the stud.  But you are right - if the factory workshop is
> correct then the stud would have to let the oil pressure out to the union
> (and
> maybe be sealed by the washers) for the pressure to go to the pipe through
> the
> union.  OTOH - Haynes says ("5" above) that the pipe should be fitted to
> the
> filter head if the stud is there.  Haynes could means that the washers
> will
> seal oil from leaking and still let the pressure into the union.  So it
> says
> fit it to the filter head because that's where the stud is.   
> 
> HANG ON -- The factory parts catalogue diagram of the oil filter
> arrangement
> shows three bolts (same as Moss and VB catalogues)   BUT on another engine
> page (with the same diagram as the Moss catalogue - that's where Moss got
> their "external engine" diagram) it does list the stud (which you refered
> to
> as #39 in Moss and which is unmarked there) as "oil filter (pressure
> attachment) #112170.  This is probably the "special stud" which Haynes
> mentions.  Since you apparently have the "special stud"  why not call TRF
> with
> the part number above (112170), see if they have it and if it is like
> yours.
> If you buy it get all the other parts mentioned above i.e. the washers
> (114033
> &114034) and the cap nut(DN3408).  Sorry I can't be of more help.
> 
> Any more questions, I'll try my best to help further.  Cheers.
> 
> Art Kelly
> 

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