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Re: TR6 cylinder -- sleeves or recessed bores, or ???

To: Andrew Mace <amace@unix2.nysed.gov>
Subject: Re: TR6 cylinder -- sleeves or recessed bores, or ???
From: Joe Curry <spitlist@gte.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:52:57 -0800
Cc: Dave Terrick <dterrick@pangea.ca>, Triumphs List <triumphs@Autox.Team.Net>
Organization: Curry Enterprises
References: <Pine.SOL.3.91.981123232122.25405A-100000@unix2.nysed.gov>
Andy,
According to John Thomason (speaking of the Spitfire engines), " The
(MkIV) block, now the same as that of the Toledo engine, incorporated a
counter-bored recess around each bore to accomodate a raised lip on a
new cylinder head gasket, the purpose of which was to improve sealing."

My understanding (as apparantly is yours), is that the blocks are cast
and bored at the factory and no sleeves are installed.  The ones in the
catalogs are for the purpose of restoring ruined or oversixwd cylinders.

I assume the TR6 engines are the same.

Regards,
Joe 

Andrew Mace wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Dave Terrick wrote:
> 
> > Andy, and list,
> >
> > Contrary to your comment the other day, those are indeed sleeves in the
> > block.  This IS a factory procedure and the documentation is available for
> > the spec about how far extra the sleeve is to be inserted on those cars.
> > You may note that some of the big 3 have shown those sleeves in
> > catalogues.... not that we ever get to the point of overbore wear before we
> > destroy the block for those shitty thrust washer induced problems !!!
> 
> Yes, I'm aware sleeves are or were available for these engines as shown
> in factory and vendor spare parts catalogues. And I can't say for sure
> either way that the engine originally inquired about has sleeves.
> 
> But are you saying that all these Spitfire, GT6 and TR6 engines from 1972
> on -- "UE" low compression engines for the U.S. -- were, in fact, sleeved
> new from the factory? I was always given to understand that there was
> simply an additional recess at the top of the bore, for reasons I never
> fully understood. But why would the blocks have been sleeved from new?
> It's not as if they were aluminum castings and needed a harder cylinder
> wall. (No Chevy Vega jokes, please.)
> 
> Anyone else care to jump in here with the documentation that I can't seem to
> lay my hands on tonight? (All I can find are references to different head
> gasket part numbers for the lower compression engines beginning in 1972.)
> 
> --Andy, not arguing here but getting curiouser and curiouser....
> 
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