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Re: paint questions

To: triumphs@Autox.Team.Net, peterz@merak.com
Subject: Re: paint questions
From: John Cowan <jfcowan@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
Peter,

  I was quoted $1300 -1500 for some bodywork and a paint over paint on my
chalky and badly repainted once was signal red TR-4A.  

  Sides are not so bad.  I thought about stripping the hood and trunk lid
myself and just having them painted.  Note: A plain old vinegar bath took
*all* the paint off my TR-3 air filters.  Leads to thoughts of damming up
some vinegar on top of the hood and leaving it for a couple of days. Not
such a crackpot idea.

  Cheapest solution is to forget the paint and attack it with rubbing
compound, Meguiars no swirl polish and wax.  Worked wonders on my car.

  John Cowan


At 12:11 PM 10/2/97 PDT, you wrote:
>Peter Zaborski wrote:
>       > I would really appreciate any tips on painting from those who
>       > have been there.
>
>Peter,
>       I, like you, are looking around for a "non-concourse" paint
>job to restore my red '74 TR6 to its original Carmine.  I've pounded
>the pavement getting quotes (from 4 shops here in San Diego), etc, 
>so here are my (brief) findings to date:
>
>1) A good quality "back to the metal" but not frame-off paint
>   job will set you back $2-$3K.  This assumes that only a minimal
>   amount of bodywork needs to be done (ie straightening, filling,
>   etc).  Bodywork can escalate these prices considerably, perhaps
>   even doubling the price.
>
>2) Preparation is everything!  Painting is simple and cheap!
>   A concourse paint job involves many layers of paint with sanding
>   between coats.  This is expensive!  For a driver, stick with
>   a simple single coat over a very-well prepared surface, it will
>   probably outlast our old cars with correct care.
>
>3) If you strip parts off the car yourself, then have it painted
>   and bolt the stuff back on, that is a big saving.  The price of the
>   above job will possibly drop to $1500 (again, assuming minimal body
>   work).  How many parts to remove?  Keep going until you are sick
>   of it!      
>
>4) Stripping the paint to bare metal is done with
>   aircraft-industry-quality chemical paint stripper.  The cost of
>   the stripper is about $100, and a paint shop will spend 10 hours.
>   If you do this yourself, there is a saving of perhaps another $600.
>   One plan is to have a "stripping party" ;)  Invite your mates
>   around for beer and pizza, paint the stripper on, let it do its
>   stuff then scrape it off.  Once its stripped, then you will see
>   how much bodywork it needs.  Do it in a well-ventilated place too!
>   I've been told sanding is a no-go except for a inexpensive
>   paint-over-paint jobs; any problems with the underneath paint will
>   eventually come through the new paint.  There is also a trick here
>   to mask off some areas prior to stripping, usually the gutters
>   around the hood and bonnet.
>
>5) At this stage, we are looking at a hi-quality paint job for
>   less than $1K.  This is usually a "2-pack" job, with a coat
>   of clear over the paint.  Then you have to CAREFULLY retrim the
>   car!  Depending upon your endurance and threshold of pain,
>   this may be your last $1000 paint job.  To me, it is worth trying
>   at least once.
>  
>6) And a final warning; many folk are afraid to drive their newly
>   recoated cars, and spend more time in the garage than they did
>   before.  This is poor showing, so you have to resist your
>   nervousness and drive it more!
>
>I look forward to hearing of the REAL experiences of others on the
>list.
>
>       Shane Ingate "wannabee painted" in San Diego
>
>

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