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Re: [Tigers] LAT 73 Header Thermal Coating

To: Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 73 Header Thermal Coating
From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 22:26:33 +0100
Cc: Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>
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None except the works race cars.
Agree - headers shouldn=E2=80=99t be concours.  That said - I personally wo=
uld
enjoy a nice stock looking car with headers without worrying too much about
concours points.  And on that topic - white ceramic coatings look awesome
and are most effective.  Also period correct for race car headers.

Happy new year Larry and all tiger members.  Let=E2=80=99s make 23 is bette=
r than
22 (please!)

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 19:30, Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:

> If judging a car, then my first requirement would always be:  Did it leav=
e
> the factory in England with the headers or other whatcha ma call it?
> Otherwise it might be a dealer installed option but mostly I think header=
s
> were installed by the owners after homologation for SCCA racing or becaus=
e
> they just helped the power output a smidge? Does anyone have stats on how
> many left the factory completion with headers as we are talking about?
>
>
>
> mayf
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *D or G at
> sbc via Tigers
> *Sent:* Monday, January 2, 2023 8:24 AM
> *To:* Brian Glenn <ora_archy@yahoo.com>; michael king <
> michael.s.king@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] LAT 73 Header Thermal Coating
>
>
>
> Don't know about the LAT 73 headers, but "other" headers of the period
> were usually satin black/semi gloss black from the manufacturer.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 11:49:59 PM PST, michael king <
> michael.s.king@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Brian,
>
>
>
> That is really a " refer to the judging guidelines" question.
>
>
>
> 1.  My personal opinion is while the coating is preferable as it protects
> from rust and can offer advantages of reduced engine bay temps and keeps
> heat in the exhaust ports..  It isnt stock... If you coat to appear
> original finish its up to the judges to spot...  If you have these coated
> and another car has them painted .. I'd pin you the point...
>
>
>
> 2. The LAT brochure shows what appears to be a satin black finish on
> them.. But its a B/W brochure..  And..  Maybe they painted them for the
> sales images .... So take that for what its worth.. So if ceramic coating=
 a
> satin black Would be the first choice...
>
>
>
> Just my .02..
>
>
>
> Brochure Image attached.
>
>
>
> MK
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 2 January 2023, Brian Glenn via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Happy New Year everyone,
>
>
>
> I'm purchasing a set of reproduction LAT 73 headers and want to have them
> thermal coated.
>
>
>
> Two questions.
>
> 1. Will I get dinged at concours (stock class) for coating the headers?
>
> 2. If not, what color were the original LAT 73 headers?
>
>
>
> I have to pony up the cash for the headers and coating soon, so timely
> feedback will be most appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> B
>
>
>
> Brian Glenn
> P.O. Box 578
> Julian, CA 92036-0578
> 714.345.9883
>
> B9470208LRXFE GT
> B9471101LRXFE
> B9472615LRXFE
> B382000846LRXFE
> B382001212LRXFE
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">None except the works race cars. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"=
auto">Agree - headers shouldn=E2=80=99t be concours.=C2=A0 That said - I pe=
rsonally would enjoy a nice stock looking car with headers without worrying=
 too much about concours points.=C2=A0 And on that topic - white ceramic co=
atings look awesome and are most effective.=C2=A0 Also period correct for r=
ace car headers.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">H=
appy new year Larry and all tiger members.=C2=A0 Let=E2=80=99s make 23 is b=
etter than 22 (please!)</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 19:30, Larry Mayfield &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com";>drmayf@mayfco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_2990947805817644157WordSecti=
on1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If judging a car, then my first requirement wou=
ld always be:=C2=A0 Did it leave the factory in England with the headers or=
 other whatcha ma call it?=C2=A0 Otherwise it might be a dealer installed o=
ption but mostly I think headers were installed by the owners after homolog=
ation for SCCA racing or because they just helped the power output a smidge=
? Does anyone have stats on how many left the factory completion with heade=
rs as we are talking about?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">mayf<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><=
div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-=
word"><div class=3D"m_2990947805817644157WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;=
border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)"=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bo=
unces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t; <b>On Behalf Of </b>D or G at sbc via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, Jan=
uary 2, 2023 8:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Brian Glenn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ora_ar=
chy@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">ora_archy@yahoo.com</a>&gt;; michael king =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michael.s=
.king@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tige=
rs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Su=
bject:</b> Re: [Tigers] LAT 73 Header Thermal Coating<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-ser=
if">Don&#39;t know about the LAT 73 headers, but &quot;other&quot; headers =
of the period were usually satin black/semi gloss black from the manufactur=
er.<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-famil=
y:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u style=3D"f=
ont-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetic=
a,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">David<u style=3D"font-=
family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-ser=
if"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica=
,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></=
span></p></div></div><div id=3D"m_2990947805817644157ydpaf73fe81yahoo_quote=
d_3128414571"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Sunday, January =
1, 2023 at 11:49:59 PM PST, michael king &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.s.ki=
ng@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">=
michael.s.king@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote: <u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,s=
ans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-s=
erif"></u></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"m_2990947805817644157ydpaf73fe81=
yiv1542475059"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fo=
nt-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Brian,<u style=3D"font-=
family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-ser=
if"></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans=
-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">That is r=
eally a &quot; refer to the judging guidelines&quot; question.<u style=3D"f=
ont-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans=
-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Hel=
vetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)=
">1.=C2=A0 My personal opinion is while the coating is preferable as it pro=
tects from rust and can offer advantages of reduced engine bay temps and ke=
eps heat in the exhaust ports..=C2=A0 It isnt stock... If you coat to appea=
r original finish its up to the judges to spot...=C2=A0 If you have these c=
oated and another car has them painted .. I&#39;d pin you the point...=C2=
=A0=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font=
-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(38,40,42)"><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u sty=
le=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-ser=
if;color:rgb(38,40,42)">2. The LAT brochure shows what appears to be a sati=
n black finish on them.. But its a B/W brochure..=C2=A0 And..=C2=A0 Maybe t=
hey painted them for the sales images .... So take that for what its worth.=
. So if ceramic coating a satin black Would be the first choice...<u style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica=
,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u=
 style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,=
40,42)">Just my .02..<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=
=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helveti=
ca,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Brochure Image attached.<u style=3D"font=
-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-se=
rif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u style=3D"=
font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">MK=
<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:H=
elvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,4=
2)"><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"fon=
t-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"m_2990947805=
817644157ydpaf73fe81yiv1542475059yqt88225"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,=
42)"><br><br>On Monday, 2 January 2023, Brian Glenn via Tigers &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:He=
lvetica,sans-serif">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif=
"></u></span></p><blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;bor=
der-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0=
in;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(=
38,40,42)">Happy New Year everyone,<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-s=
erif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Hel=
vetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-=
family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I&#39;m purchasing a set o=
f reproduction LAT 73 headers and want to have them thermal coated.<u style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica=
,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u=
 style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,=
40,42)">Two questions.<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-s=
erif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">1. Will I get dinged at concours (stock class) fo=
r coating the headers?<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-s=
erif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">2. If not, what color were the original LAT 73 he=
aders?<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(3=
8,40,42)"><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;=
color:rgb(38,40,42)">I have to pony up the cash for the headers and coating=
 soon, so timely feedback will be most appreciated.<u style=3D"font-family:=
Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Cheers<u style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-=
serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">B<u style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica=
,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u=
 style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,=
40,42)">Brian Glenn<br>P.O. Box 578<br>Julian, CA 92036-0578<br>714.345.988=
3<br><br>B9470208LRXFE GT<br>B9471101LRXFE <br>B9472615LRXFE <br>B382000846=
LRXFE <br>B382001212LRXFE<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=
<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div></div></=
div></blockquote></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br><br>-- <br=
>Regards<br><br>Michael King<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><=
/u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div></div=
><div id=3D"m_2990947805817644157ydpaf73fe81yqt53895"><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:He=
lvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">___________________________________=
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