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On 12/1/2022 12:04 PM, Clyde Mclaughlin wrote:
> The mk11 chassic mount did not really come down enough, but better. I
> fabricated a duplicate to the mk11 and welded it in place on the left
> side frame, I cut the the bracket from the axle and repositioned it on
> the other side and playing with the angles and positioning of the
> frame mount I was able to get the rod very close to ideal. I did have
> to work around the brake line on the right side and also extended the
> length of the rod slightly. I have found that the car now transitions
> much more evenly on turns in both directions especially with the power
> on with LSD.
As many of you already know, I manufacture a "Kit" that repairs and
replaces the woefully weak OEM Panhard frame mount. It is symmetrical
so that it will mount on either side and has three vertical holes for
elevation to locate the frame rod end for improved operational
performance. So it can be used with the OEM Rod as is, or to relocate
the axle bracket as Clyde has done to improve left right transitions.Â
It's a shame that the factory waited two + years to correct this
seemingly minor design error that they discovered during Mk I prototype
testing. I've done several of these conversions over the years with
good results.
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022, 12:08 PM Jim D'Amelio via Tigers
> <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Theo,
>
> Thanks for the response. I understand how the difference was with
> the MKII and it can't be changed without the MKII parts and some
> modifications to make it more level. Just needed to know the
> orientation of the bar.
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
> Date: 12/1/22 11:19 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Jim D'Amelio <jimdamelio@verizon.net>
> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panhard Rod Question
>
> The â??wrong from the factoryâ?? part is that the frame attachment and
> the axle attachment should have been done on the opposite sides,
> which you cannot fix just by flipping the bar around. A second and
> more important issue is that the frame mounting arm should have
> been extended to position the panhard bar horizontally at normal
> ride height. But that requires more structure back there to
> support the lateral loads or things will just tear apart over time
> (as they already do).
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:12 AM, Jim D'Amelio via Tigers
>> <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> It's been so many years since I removed it, so I don't remember.Â
>> Â Does the adjuster end of the rod go into the frame bracket or
>> the diff bracket? Does it really matter which end goes where?
>> I've read all the different view on the rod being in the wrong
>> position from the factory, but can't find a picture of a stock
>> bar mounted.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim D
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/1/2022 12:04 PM, Clyde Mclaughlin
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">The mk11 chassic mount did not really come down
enough, but better. I fabricated a duplicate to the mk11 and
welded it in place on the left side frame, I cut the the
bracket from the axle and repositioned it on the other side
and playing with the angles and positioning of the frame mount
I was able to get the rod very close to ideal. I did have to
work around the brake line on the right side and also extended
the length of the rod slightly. I have found that the car now
transitions much more evenly on turns in both directions
especially with the power on with LSD. <br>
</div>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p><font color="#800040">As many of you already know, I manufacture
a "Kit" that repairs and replaces the woefully weak OEM Panhard
frame mount. It is symmetrical so that it will mount on either
side and has three vertical holes for elevation to locate the
frame rod end for improved operational performance. So it can
be used with the OEM Rod as is, or to relocate the axle bracket
as Clyde has done to improve left right transitions. It's a
shame that the factory waited two + years to correct this
seemingly minor design error that they discovered during Mk I
prototype testing. I've done several of these conversions over
the years with good results.</font></p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAF6p=0ARD+Bi=st5GVv0_gjF44zyG0VRu7q5ymZZ25Kh9s5iUQ@mail.gmail.com"><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 1, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jim D'Amelio via Tigers <<a
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>
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<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">Theo,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks for the response. I understand how
the difference was with the MKII and it can't be changed
without the MKII parts and some modifications to make it
more level. Just needed to know the orientation of the
bar. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Jim D</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
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id="m_6898089465881761310m_1885758681907028189composer_signature"
dir="auto">
<div style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(87,87,87)" dir="auto">Sent
from my Galaxy</div>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
align="left">
<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Theo Smit <<a href="mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca";
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tsmit@shaw.ca</a>>
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<div>Date: 12/1/22 11:19 AM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: Jim D'Amelio <<a
href="mailto:jimdamelio@verizon.net"; rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jimdamelio@verizon.net</a>>
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<div>Cc: <a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers@autox.team.net</a>
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<div>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Panhard Rod Question </div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">The â??wrong from the factoryâ?? part is that the
frame attachment and the axle attachment should have been
done on the opposite sides, which you cannot fix just by
flipping the bar around. A second and more important issue
is that the frame mounting arm should have been extended
to position the panhard bar horizontally at normal ride
height. But that requires more structure back there to
support the lateral loads or things will just tear apart
over time (as they already do). </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Cheers,</div>
<div dir="ltr">Theo</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:12 AM, Jim
D'Amelio via Tigers <<a
href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="auto">It's been so many years since I removed
it, so I don't remember.  Does the adjuster end of
the rod go into the frame bracket or the diff
bracket? Does it really matter which end goes where?
I've read all the different view on the rod being in
the wrong position from the factory, but can't find a
picture of a stock bar mounted.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Jim D</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
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style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(87,87,87)">Sent from
my Galaxy</div>
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