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Well, he got the steering box right anyway! Hey, it=E2=80=99s all =
entertainment =E2=80=A6 right?=20
And, he stirred up the Tiger Community so, it=E2=80=99s not all bad. ;-)
Cheers,
Jim B
> On Mar 16, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Theo Smit via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> He also talked about there being a bulge in the trunk to clear the =
rear end on Tigers=E2=80=A6 but did not mention the relocated spare tire =
and battery.=20
>=20
> It=E2=80=99s tough for guys like him that review a lot of different =
cars and have to try to pick up points of interest on each one=E2=80=A6 =
they are always going to get massacred by the marque specialists.
>=20
> Theo
>=20
>> On Mar 16, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Tom
>>=20
>> Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.
>>=20
>> Sunbeam Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. =
Seagrave.
>>=20
>> This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 & 45 - also on pg.41 "the =
big bruiser of a man and the biggest mallet I've seen."
>>=20
>> I'm sure in many cases Steve Magnante is researching the car he find =
on the internet on the spot and we know from experience most of that =
information is questionable.
>>=20
>> My guess is Steve is trying to find a good way to earn a living.
>>=20
>> Ron Fraser
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt =
via Tigers
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM
>> To: tigers@autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video
>>=20
>> I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got =
wrong to some degree (in order of appearance):
>>=20
>> He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the =
distinctive side trim.
>>=20
>> He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms." That is a =
term I have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched =
into the front/top of the crossmember.
>>=20
>> The firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.
>>=20
>> The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.
>>=20
>> He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.
>>=20
>> He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it =
is.
>>=20
>> He eluded that the BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but =
the first 50 or so Tigers had them.
>>=20
>> The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says
>> 1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet =
says Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named "The =
Slug".=20
>> I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike =
Taylor's book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred to as a =
Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too =
much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.
>>=20
>> I actually met Magnante at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very =
personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson =
events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be =
struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has =
something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker and =
got a number of things wrong there too.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:
>>> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; =
he=20
>>> doesn=E2=80=99t know what he=E2=80=99s talking about. And he comes =
on that he=E2=80=99s a=20
>>> expert. There are to be a law=E2=80=A6 Jim Armstrong
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On Mar 16, 2022, at 2:01 PM, tigers-request@autox.team.net wrote:
>>>>=20
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>>>> tigers@autox.team.net
>>>>=20
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>>>> 2. The myth, and other urban legends continues (Tom Witt)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
>>>> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
>>>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright@aol.com>
>>>> Cc: <tigers@Autox.Team.Net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>>> Message-ID: <001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
>>>>=20
>>>> Jim
>>>>=20
>>>> I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit =
strap.
>>>>=20
>>>> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Ron Fraser
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James=20
>>>> Armstrong via Tigers
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>>>> To: tigers@autox.team.net
>>>> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>>>>=20
>>>> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the =
front=20
>>>> of the car, or the rear
>>>>=20
>>>> I have pictures that depict both ways.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Yours for the sport,
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Jim Armstrong
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 20:53:57 -0700
>>>> From: Tom Witt <atwittsend@verizon.net>
>>>> To: "tigers@autox.team.net" <tigers@autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: [Tigers] The myth, and other urban legends continues
>>>> Message-ID: <4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9@verizon.net>
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>>>>=20
>>>> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>>>> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=3D90 This is cued to a relevant =
point=20
>>>> but I'm sure there are more to be found.
>>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Well, he got the steering box =
right anyway! Hey, it=E2=80=99s all entertainment =E2=80=A6 =
right? </span><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">And, he stirred up the Tiger Community so, it=E2=80=99s =
not all bad. ;-)</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;" class=3D"">Cheers,</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Jim B</span></div><div =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 16, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Theo Smit via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">He =
also talked about there being a bulge in the trunk to clear the rear end =
on Tigers=E2=80=A6 but did not mention the relocated spare tire and =
battery. <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">It=E2=80=99s tough for guys like =
him that review a lot of different cars and have to try to pick up =
points of interest on each one=E2=80=A6 they are always going to get =
massacred by the marque specialists.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Theo<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Mar =
16, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Ron Fraser <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; =
class=3D"">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Tom<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the =
code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sunbeam=
Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. Seagrave.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 =
& 45 - also on pg.41 "the big bruiser of a man and the biggest =
mallet I've seen."<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I'm sure in many cases =
Steve Magnante is researching the car he find on the internet on the =
spot and we know from experience most of that information is =
questionable.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">My guess is Steve is trying =
to find a good way to earn a living.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Ron =
Fraser<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Tom Witt =
via Tigers<br class=3D"">Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM<br =
class=3D"">To: <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Tigers] =
Clueless video<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I re-watched the whole video =
again today. There seems 8 things he got wrong to some degree (in order =
of appearance):<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">He addressed the Tiger =
badging but neglected to mention the distinctive side trim.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">He referred to the steering rack as "below the =
A-arms." That is a term I have never heard and he failed to =
mention the rack was notched into the front/top of the crossmember.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The firewall hammering issue was AGAIN =
brought up.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The Alpine/Tiger is not a body =
on frame car as he stated.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">He stated the =
roll up windows were in the rear.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">He stated =
the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">He eluded that the BW transmission was a =
only in the prototypes but the first 50 or so Tigers had them.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The last point I am not familiar with but he =
states the 1927 (he says<br class=3D"">1925) land speed Sunbeam was =
called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says Campbell called the car the =
Bluebird it was also nick named "The Slug". <br class=3D"">I found =
no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike Taylor's =
book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred to as a =
Thunderbolt but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too =
much to read at the moment to see what TBON has to say.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I actually met Magnante at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. =
He is a very personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett =
Jackson events his career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to =
be struggling to find his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy =
has something to do with it. The day before he did a video on Studebaker =
and got a number of things wrong there too.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES =
ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond =
clueless; he <br class=3D"">doesn=E2=80=99t know what he=E2=80=99s =
talking about. And he comes on that he=E2=80=99s a <br class=3D"">expert. =
There are to be a law=E2=80=A6 Jim Armstrong<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote =
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------<br class=3D"">-<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Message: 1<br =
class=3D"">Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400<br class=3D"">From: =
"Ron Fraser" <<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; =
class=3D"">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>><br class=3D"">To: "'James =
Armstrong'" <<a href=3D"mailto:rollright@aol.com"; =
class=3D"">rollright@aol.com</a>><br class=3D"">Cc: <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a>><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: =
[Tigers] toll roll belt<br class=3D"">Message-ID: <<a =
href=3D"mailto:001901d838c1$5f908520$1eb18f60$@bluefrog.com"; =
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class=3D"">Jim<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> =
&n=
bsp; I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit =
strap.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The witness marks indicate that the =
buckle was to the rear.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ron Fraser<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">From: Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of James <br =
class=3D"">Armstrong via Tigers<br class=3D"">Sent: Tuesday, March 15, =
2022 12:07 PM<br class=3D"">To: <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D"">Subject: [Tigers] =
toll roll belt<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Hello all,<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">My trunk restoration is coming to a close<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing =
belt<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">When the toll roll is =
out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front <br class=3D"">of the =
car, or the rear<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have pictures that =
depict both ways.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see =
them.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Yours =
for the sport,<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Jim Armstrong<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:rollright@aol.com"; class=3D"">rollright@aol.com</a> =
<<a href=3D"mailto:rollright@aol.com"; =
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-0700<br class=3D"">From: Tom Witt <<a =
href=3D"mailto:atwittsend@verizon.net"; =
class=3D"">atwittsend@verizon.net</a>><br class=3D"">To: "<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D"">Subject: [Tigers] =
The myth, and other urban legends continues<br class=3D"">Message-ID: =
<<a href=3D"mailto:4607e0af-beb9-a04d-783c-4e985135d4b9@verizon.net"; =
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class=3D""><br class=3D"">Not giving a clue here. The obvious is =
apparent.<br class=3D""><a href=3D"https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=3D90"; =
class=3D"">https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=3D90</a> This is cued to a =
relevant point <br class=3D"">but I'm sure there are more to be =
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